From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/40565 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dietrich Rordorf / MDPI Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Bibliographic Databases Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:03:41 +0200 Organization: MDPI Message-ID: <480C829D.60208@mdpi.org> References: Reply-To: rordorf@mdpi.org, mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1208779601 2518 80.91.229.12 (21 Apr 2008 12:06:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:06:41 +0000 (UTC) To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Mon Apr 21 14:07:15 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JnunQ-0005NN-KF for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:06:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B661A1FD72; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:06:14 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19955-05-9; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:05:35 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 569681FCAA; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:05:35 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59C71FC5D for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:05:33 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19955-05-8 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:04:58 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from atlas.kreativmedia.ch (ns23.kreativmedia.ch [80.74.146.167]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757601FCD0 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:03:44 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: (qmail 14040 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2008 14:03:42 +0200 Original-Received: from 84-73-127-179.dclient.hispeed.ch (HELO ?172.16.0.10?) (84.73.127.179) by ns23.kreativmedia.ch with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 21 Apr 2008 14:03:42 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:40565 Archived-At: Hi All, Why not try an existing, online tool.? There are severals, most of them = support export to various formats, e.g. BibTeX, RIS, EndNote, etc.. Some = of them have a Word plug-in, too. http://www.connotea.org/ Free online reference management tool for scientists Nature Publishing Group http://www.citeulike.org/ Free online reference management tool for scientists Oversity Ldt. http://www.bibsonomy.org/ Free online reference management tool for scientists University of Kassel http://www.zotero.org/ Free online reference management tool for scientists WordPress http://www.2collab.com/ Free online group collaboration tool for scientists Elsevier B.V. Otherwaise, for Desktop solutions see a comparision: Reference Management Software Comparison: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_reference_management_software http://mahbub.wordpress.com/2007/03/04/comparison-of-free-bibliographic-man= agers/ Dietrich = -- Mr. Dietrich Rordorf MDPI Center Matthaeusstrasse 11 CH-4057 Basel Switzerland E-mail: rordorf@mdpi.org Skype: d.rordorf Tel. +41 61 683 77 34 (office) Tel. +41 76 561 41 83 (mobile) Fax +41 61 302 89 18 = = > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [NTG-context] Bibliographic Databases > From: > Robin Kirkham > Date: > Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:13:28 +1000 > To: > ntg-context@ntg.nl > > To: > ntg-context@ntg.nl > > > On 20 April 2008, "George N. White III" wrote: > >> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Robin Kirkham = >> wrote: >> >>> I want to set up a shared bibliographic reference database for my >>> research group, [...] >> >> I can tell you a few things that don't work! In our lab we have both >> TeX and Word users. Many of them had been using a DOS package >> called papyrus, using a special markup that could be translated >> to tex (.bbl) files. Nothing we found was really satisfactory, so >> we bought EndNote, which could import from papyrus via "refer" >> format and can export to "almost bibtex". One problem is that >> EndNote uses unicode, so we end up with =E8, etc. that must >> be translated for some user's versions of bibtex. The database >> now has a nearly infinite variety of different quote marks: >> `a`, 'a', ``a'', "a", etc. depending on how the entry was made >> (many are pasted from online or pdf sources). >> >> EndNote is really designed for individual users, although sold >> in bulk. If 2 people open the same database on a shared >> drive they end up with a corrupt database. >> >> In my view, a bibliographic database needs to store each >> reference in the "source" or original format, whether bibtex, >> refer, or one of the newer forms, and provide translators >> and version tracking, so each file can have forks for different >> uses (e.g., ascii vs unicode char. sets) and edits can be >> preserved for the next user. In practice, people just dump >> selected refs to a bib file, make the .bbl file, and fix problems >> there, so fixes rarely make it back to the master database. >> If they did, we would still have accents and quote marks >> being switched back and forth depending on who last used >> the entry. > > > Thanks George. EndNote is I believe the corporately-approved solution = > here, and similar disasters occur when people try and share its data = > files. For this reason I don't call these sorts of personal-level = > programs "databases" (any more than I'll call a .bib file a database). > > The TeX folk don't fare much better. Multiple personal .bib files are = > common, often with duplicate references but different citation keys, = > leading to rather variable results depending on who run LaTeX/ConTeXt = > on the file. Inconsistency in data entry is also a problem, although = > for us, accents and quotes don't seem to too big a problem. = > (`Authorless', i.e., corporate author documents, like data sheets, = > seems to be more of an issue). > > For this reason I'm looking for a proper SQL database solution like = > refdb or refbase (or maybe wikindx, thanks Andreas) with a web = > front-end that will hopefully enforce somewhat more consistent data = > entry, and maybe even auto-generate citation keys. Taco, your remarks = > regarding interchange formats are valuable (both refdb and refbase = > support MODS XML output). > > Robin > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to= the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-co= ntext > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ > = ___________________________________________________________________________= ________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to t= he Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-cont= ext webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________= ________