Fwd: (Classical) greek in ConTeXt/Gamma [please forward]

Fwd: (Classical) greek in ConTeXt/Gamma [please forward]

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Idris sent me this asking me to forward it. My reply follows.

===8<==============Original message text===============
Hi Giuseppe,

I was digging in the archives and came across this; I don't think I ever saw 
this message (must have been busy at the time). Did you ever get an answer? 
I'm sure that editing the otp's will get you the result u wanted quite easily, 
but in the year since u wrote this u've probably figured that out already:-)

Best
Idri

[NTG-context] (Classical) greek in ConTeXt/Gamma 
Giuseppe Bilotta ntg-context@ntg.nl 
Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:40:35 +0200

Hello,

I don't know if Idris is following the group (I hope he is), but
anyway I have a couple of questions on the support for Greek in
ConTeXt, Omega and thus also Gamma.

The need is that of typesetting classical greek snippets in a
latin (Italian, but could be English) context. I thought that
ConTeXt+(e-)Omega would be the best thing in town, so I prepared a
small test file:

\usemodule[gamma]

\mainlanguage[italian]

\starttext

Possiamo scrivere tranquillamente in italiano; questo non ci priva
per\`o della possibilit\`a di scrivere in greco: vediamo subito
l'alfabeto minuscolo e maiuscolo (notare come j dia \greek{j}
e c dia il sigma di fine parola \greek{c}):

\startgreek
a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
\stopgreek

\`E ovviamente possibile usare segni diacritici come gli accenti
(\greek{`a, 'a, =a}) o gli spiriti (\greek{<r, >w}); osserviamo
come questi assumano automaticamente la posizione corretta nel
caso di lettere maiuscole (\greek{`A, 'A, =A, <A, >A, Ai})


\stoptext

While it seems to work pretty well most of the time, there seem to
be some problems; I'd like to know where they arise from and if
and how they can be fixed. The problems:

Combination               Doesn't give
  <r                       rho with spirit
  =A                       capital alpha with circumflex
  <A                       capital alpha with spirit


Moreover, I don't know how to write the subscribed iota. My system
is a MiKTeX 2.2 with (e-)Omega 1.15. Does anybody have an idea?

-- 
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta


===8<===========End of original message text===========

My reply:

Well, I'm pretty sure the bug is in the OTPs that come with
Omega (which is pretty funny, considering that Yannis *is*
Greek ...). I guess that when the rougher edges in Aleph are
fixed we'll start correcting the OCPs :)

-- 
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta

Re: Fwd: (Classical) greek in ConTeXt/Gamma [please forward]

[Thomas A.Schmitz]

Well, this is pretty old news, so I'm not sure if a reply is still 
called for; whatever, here comes: I'm not quite sure why Giuseppe is 
trying to use eomega instead of plain ole pdftex. I mean, you're not 
writing Greek in Unicode, right? If you're still interested, drop me a 
line, I have a home-cooked Greek package for ConTeXt which works very 
well on my box (which is teTeX on Mac OS X); I could send you the 
files. And the iota subscript is usuall done with an | after the vowel, 
as in a|. The combination =A (alpha with circumflex) does not occur in 
classical Greek without a breathing, but <r and <A definitely ought to 
work.

HTH

Thomas
On Jul 26, 2004, at 1:37 PM, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:

> Idris sent me this asking me to forward it. My reply follows.
>
> ===8<==============Original message text===============
> Hi Giuseppe,
>
> I was digging in the archives and came across this; I don't think I 
> ever saw
> this message (must have been busy at the time). Did you ever get an 
> answer?
> I'm sure that editing the otp's will get you the result u wanted quite 
> easily,
> but in the year since u wrote this u've probably figured that out 
> already:-)
>
> Best
> Idri
>
> [NTG-context] (Classical) greek in ConTeXt/Gamma
> Giuseppe Bilotta ntg-context@ntg.nl
> Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:40:35 +0200
>
> Hello,
>
> I don't know if Idris is following the group (I hope he is), but
> anyway I have a couple of questions on the support for Greek in
> ConTeXt, Omega and thus also Gamma.
>
> The need is that of typesetting classical greek snippets in a
> latin (Italian, but could be English) context. I thought that
> ConTeXt+(e-)Omega would be the best thing in town, so I prepared a
> small test file:
>
> \usemodule[gamma]
>
> \mainlanguage[italian]
>
> \starttext
>
> Possiamo scrivere tranquillamente in italiano; questo non ci priva
> per\`o della possibilit\`a di scrivere in greco: vediamo subito
> l'alfabeto minuscolo e maiuscolo (notare come j dia \greek{j}
> e c dia il sigma di fine parola \greek{c}):
>
> \startgreek
> a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z
>
> A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
> \stopgreek
>
> \`E ovviamente possibile usare segni diacritici come gli accenti
> (\greek{`a, 'a, =a}) o gli spiriti (\greek{<r, >w}); osserviamo
> come questi assumano automaticamente la posizione corretta nel
> caso di lettere maiuscole (\greek{`A, 'A, =A, <A, >A, Ai})
>
>
> \stoptext
>
> While it seems to work pretty well most of the time, there seem to
> be some problems; I'd like to know where they arise from and if
> and how they can be fixed. The problems:
>
> Combination               Doesn't give
>   <r                       rho with spirit
>   =A                       capital alpha with circumflex
>   <A                       capital alpha with spirit
>
>
> Moreover, I don't know how to write the subscribed iota. My system
> is a MiKTeX 2.2 with (e-)Omega 1.15. Does anybody have an idea?
>
> -- 
> Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
>
>
> ===8<===========End of original message text===========
>
> My reply:
>
> Well, I'm pretty sure the bug is in the OTPs that come with
> Omega (which is pretty funny, considering that Yannis *is*
> Greek ...). I guess that when the rougher edges in Aleph are
> fixed we'll start correcting the OCPs :)
>
> -- 
> Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
>
> _______________________________________________
> ntg-context mailing list
> ntg-context@ntg.nl
> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
>

Re: Fwd: (Classical) greek in ConTeXt/Gamma [please forward]

[Hans Hagen]

Thomas A.Schmitz wrote:

> Well, this is pretty old news, so I'm not sure if a reply is still 
> called for; whatever, here comes: I'm not quite sure why Giuseppe is 
> trying to use eomega instead of plain ole pdftex. I mean, you're not 
> writing Greek in Unicode, right? If you're still interested, drop me a 
> line, I have a home-cooked Greek package for ConTeXt which works very 
> well on my box (which is teTeX on Mac OS X); I could send you the 
> files. And the iota subscript is usuall done with an | after the 
> vowel, as in a|. The combination =A (alpha with circumflex) does not 
> occur in classical Greek without a breathing, but <r and <A definitely 
> ought to work.
>
> HTH
>
> Thomas

i think that it makes sense to figure out some mechanism/interface that 
works well with both systems , so  how does  your package look like?

Hans


> On Jul 26, 2004, at 1:37 PM, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
>
>> Idris sent me this asking me to forward it. My reply follows.
>>
>> ===8<==============Original message text===============
>> Hi Giuseppe,
>>
>> I was digging in the archives and came across this; I don't think I 
>> ever saw
>> this message (must have been busy at the time). Did you ever get an 
>> answer?
>> I'm sure that editing the otp's will get you the result u wanted 
>> quite easily,
>> but in the year since u wrote this u've probably figured that out 
>> already:-)
>>
>> Best
>> Idri
>>
>> [NTG-context] (Classical) greek in ConTeXt/Gamma
>> Giuseppe Bilotta ntg-context@ntg.nl
>> Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:40:35 +0200
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I don't know if Idris is following the group (I hope he is), but
>> anyway I have a couple of questions on the support for Greek in
>> ConTeXt, Omega and thus also Gamma.
>>
>> The need is that of typesetting classical greek snippets in a
>> latin (Italian, but could be English) context. I thought that
>> ConTeXt+(e-)Omega would be the best thing in town, so I prepared a
>> small test file:
>>
>> \usemodule[gamma]
>>
>> \mainlanguage[italian]
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> Possiamo scrivere tranquillamente in italiano; questo non ci priva
>> per\`o della possibilit\`a di scrivere in greco: vediamo subito
>> l'alfabeto minuscolo e maiuscolo (notare come j dia \greek{j}
>> e c dia il sigma di fine parola \greek{c}):
>>
>> \startgreek
>> a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z
>>
>> A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
>> \stopgreek
>>
>> \`E ovviamente possibile usare segni diacritici come gli accenti
>> (\greek{`a, 'a, =a}) o gli spiriti (\greek{<r, >w}); osserviamo
>> come questi assumano automaticamente la posizione corretta nel
>> caso di lettere maiuscole (\greek{`A, 'A, =A, <A, >A, Ai})
>>
>>
>> \stoptext
>>
>> While it seems to work pretty well most of the time, there seem to
>> be some problems; I'd like to know where they arise from and if
>> and how they can be fixed. The problems:
>>
>> Combination               Doesn't give
>>   <r                       rho with spirit
>>   =A                       capital alpha with circumflex
>>   <A                       capital alpha with spirit
>>
>>
>> Moreover, I don't know how to write the subscribed iota. My system
>> is a MiKTeX 2.2 with (e-)Omega 1.15. Does anybody have an idea?
>>
>> -- 
>> Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
>>
>>
>> ===8<===========End of original message text===========
>>
>> My reply:
>>
>> Well, I'm pretty sure the bug is in the OTPs that come with
>> Omega (which is pretty funny, considering that Yannis *is*
>> Greek ...). I guess that when the rougher edges in Aleph are
>> fixed we'll start correcting the OCPs :)
>>
>> -- 
>> Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> ntg-context mailing list
>> ntg-context@ntg.nl
>> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
>>
>
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Re[2]: Fwd: (Classical) greek in ConTeXt/Gamma [please forward]

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Monday, July 26, 2004 Thomas A.Schmitz wrote:

> Well, this is pretty old news, so I'm not sure if a reply is still
> called for; whatever, here comes: I'm not quite sure why Giuseppe is
> trying to use eomega instead of plain ole pdftex. I mean, you're not
> writing Greek in Unicode, right? If you're still interested, drop me a
> line, I have a home-cooked Greek package for ConTeXt which works very
> well on my box (which is teTeX on Mac OS X); I could send you the
> files. And the iota subscript is usuall done with an | after the vowel,
> as in a|. The combination =A (alpha with circumflex) does not occur in
> classical Greek without a breathing, but <r and <A definitely ought to
> work.

I think it would be worth it to make your package public.
Consider submitting it to CTAN. We should try and populate the
context repository there :) (Tobias, I've read your email, I'm
just catching up with the mail ...)

The reason why I wanted an Omega/Aleph solution was that I am
working on Aleph (the program) and I need to know if there are
bugs and where :)

-- 
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta