* Arabic transliteration @ 2008-05-13 21:53 Alan Bowen 2008-05-13 22:21 ` Idris Samawi Hamid 2008-05-13 22:24 ` Mojca Miklavec 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Alan Bowen @ 2008-05-13 21:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing ConTeXt users list for Greetings! I am trying to typeset some transliterated Arabic and one of the diacritical marks is giving me a problem. How does one put what looks like a breve accent (a cup or concave arc) under an letter in ConTeXT? Cheers, Alan ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Arabic transliteration 2008-05-13 21:53 Arabic transliteration Alan Bowen @ 2008-05-13 22:21 ` Idris Samawi Hamid 2008-05-13 22:24 ` Mojca Miklavec 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Idris Samawi Hamid @ 2008-05-13 22:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hi, On Tue, 13 May 2008 15:53:17 -0600, Alan Bowen <acbowen@princeton.edu> wrote: > Greetings! > > I am trying to typeset some transliterated Arabic and one of the > diacritical marks is giving me a problem. How does one put what looks > like a breve accent (a cup or concave arc) under an letter in ConTeXT? I used to use macros for that purpose, with the latest Latin Modern fonts you should have every Arabic transliteration character you need, including the arc under the <h>, ie, ḫ. In luatex you just type ḫ. Try it! Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shi`i Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Arabic transliteration 2008-05-13 21:53 Arabic transliteration Alan Bowen 2008-05-13 22:21 ` Idris Samawi Hamid @ 2008-05-13 22:24 ` Mojca Miklavec 2008-05-13 23:00 ` Idris Samawi Hamid 2008-05-14 14:41 ` Alan Bowen 1 sibling, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2008-05-13 22:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 997 bytes --] On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: > Greetings! > > I am trying to typeset some transliterated Arabic and one of the > diacritical marks is giving me a problem. How does one put what looks > like a breve accent (a cup or concave arc) under an letter in ConTeXT? Hello, First of all, it's nice if the font provides that character. Which fonts are you using for your document? I wanted to send you an example of how it can be done in different ways, but there seems to be in interesting problem with XeTeX at the moment, so I wasn't able to play with it. But in general: a) simply use character U+032E (combining breve below) It kind-of-works with LM, but not perfect (there has been some discussion about how to improve the behaviour of combining accents in LM) b) use character brevebelow from LM and use TeX to place the accent, see enco-ini.tex for examples Of course you can assign your own macro to either of the two options to access the accent more easily. Mojca [-- Attachment #2: brevebelow.tex --] [-- Type: application/x-tex, Size: 140 bytes --] [-- Attachment #3: brevebelow.pdf --] [-- Type: application/pdf, Size: 3277 bytes --] [-- Attachment #4: Type: text/plain, Size: 487 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Arabic transliteration 2008-05-13 22:24 ` Mojca Miklavec @ 2008-05-13 23:00 ` Idris Samawi Hamid 2008-05-14 7:30 ` Hans Hagen 2008-05-14 14:41 ` Alan Bowen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Idris Samawi Hamid @ 2008-05-13 23:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Tue, 13 May 2008 16:24:02 -0600, Mojca Miklavec <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote: > I wanted to send you an example of how it can be done in different > ways, but there seems to be in interesting problem with XeTeX at the > moment, so I wasn't able to play with it. > > But in general: > > a) simply use character U+032E (combining breve below) > It kind-of-works with LM, but not perfect (there has been some > discussion about how to improve the behaviour of combining accents in > LM) The big problem with macros for this sort of thing is getting the italics right -- Arabic transliteration typically uses italics in running text. The macro will have to be adjusted (or an italic parameter changed) for every font. See \def\sh@ft on page 356 of the TeXBook. Anyway, the Unicode 1E00--FF block has most of these problematic chars, and LM has incorporated the relevant ones. For other fonts, perhaps Hans could implement a combining command that gives an italics parameter option, though that will differ for regular, bold, etc... Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shi`i Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Arabic transliteration 2008-05-13 23:00 ` Idris Samawi Hamid @ 2008-05-14 7:30 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2008-05-14 7:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: > On Tue, 13 May 2008 16:24:02 -0600, Mojca Miklavec > <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I wanted to send you an example of how it can be done in different >> ways, but there seems to be in interesting problem with XeTeX at the >> moment, so I wasn't able to play with it. >> >> But in general: >> >> a) simply use character U+032E (combining breve below) >> It kind-of-works with LM, but not perfect (there has been some >> discussion about how to improve the behaviour of combining accents in >> LM) > > The big problem with macros for this sort of thing is getting the italics > right -- Arabic transliteration typically uses italics in running text. > The macro will have to be adjusted (or an italic parameter changed) for > every font. See \def\sh@ft on page 356 of the TeXBook. > > Anyway, the Unicode 1E00--FF block has most of these problematic chars, > and LM has incorporated the relevant ones. > > For other fonts, perhaps Hans could implement a combining command that > gives an italics parameter option, though that will differ for regular, > bold, etc... ah, you mean that the automatic combiner should adapt to italic/slant ... i need to look into it bold is no problem Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Arabic transliteration 2008-05-13 22:24 ` Mojca Miklavec 2008-05-13 23:00 ` Idris Samawi Hamid @ 2008-05-14 14:41 ` Alan Bowen 2008-05-14 15:33 ` Idris Samawi Hamid 2008-05-14 17:17 ` Mojca Miklavec 1 sibling, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Alan Bowen @ 2008-05-14 14:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Many thanks, Idris and Mojca. If all goes well, I will move to luatex this summer---that really does seem to be the way to go---and then investigate XeTeX, which I gather is now functioning well with luatex. For now, however, I will have to cobble a macro using hints that Mojca provided. By the way I am using Latin Modern (ec encoding). Very best, Alan > On Tue, 13 May 2008 15:53:17 -0600, Alan Bowen <acbowen@princeton.edu> > wrote: > >> Greetings! >> >> I am trying to typeset some transliterated Arabic and one of the >> diacritical marks is giving me a problem. How does one put what looks >> like a breve accent (a cup or concave arc) under an letter in >> ConTeXT? > > I used to use macros for that purpose, with the latest Latin Modern > fonts > you should have every Arabic transliteration character you need, > including > the arc under the <h>, ie, ḫ. In luatex you just type ḫ. Try it! > > Best wishes, Idris On May 13, 2008, at 18;24,02 , Mojca Miklavec wrote: > Hello, > > First of all, it's nice if the font provides that character. Which > fonts are you using for your document? > > I wanted to send you an example of how it can be done in different > ways, but there seems to be in interesting problem with XeTeX at the > moment, so I wasn't able to play with it. > > But in general: > > a) simply use character U+032E (combining breve below) > It kind-of-works with LM, but not perfect (there has been some > discussion about how to improve the behaviour of combining accents in > LM) > > b) use character brevebelow from LM and use TeX to place the accent, > see enco-ini.tex for examples > > Of course you can assign your own macro to either of the two options > to access the accent more easily. > > Mojca > < > brevebelow > .tex > > > < > brevebelow > .pdf > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an > entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Arabic transliteration 2008-05-14 14:41 ` Alan Bowen @ 2008-05-14 15:33 ` Idris Samawi Hamid 2008-05-14 17:17 ` Mojca Miklavec 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Idris Samawi Hamid @ 2008-05-14 15:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Wed, 14 May 2008 08:41:08 -0600, Alan Bowen <acbowen@princeton.edu> wrote: > For now, however, I will have to > cobble a macro using hints that Mojca provided. > > By the way I am using Latin Modern (ec encoding). Have you checked the very latest Latin Modern? You should not need macros, since all Arabic transliteration chars are there now. If you really do need macros, I can send you my old Arabic transliteration macros and you can use/modify those for the effect you need. Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shi`i Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Arabic transliteration 2008-05-14 14:41 ` Alan Bowen 2008-05-14 15:33 ` Idris Samawi Hamid @ 2008-05-14 17:17 ` Mojca Miklavec 2008-05-14 22:45 ` Alan Bowen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2008-05-14 17:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: > Many thanks, Idris and Mojca. > > If all goes well, I will move to luatex this summer---that really does > seem to be the way to go---and then investigate XeTeX, which I gather > is now functioning well with luatex. For now, however, I will have to > cobble a macro using hints that Mojca provided. My hint(s) only work in XeTeX and LuaTeX. > By the way I am using Latin Modern (ec encoding). With ec encoding you really need to do ugly things. You need to compose a character by more or less manually lowering the breve accent and take care for italic correction yourself. Not even accent primitive can be used for it. And you cannot use the combining accent after the character or the proper Unicode glyph (though the latter might be possible by patching some definition in ConTeXt core), you always need to use a macro. With XeTeX and LuaTeX all that comes (almost) for free. Mojca ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Arabic transliteration 2008-05-14 17:17 ` Mojca Miklavec @ 2008-05-14 22:45 ` Alan Bowen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Alan Bowen @ 2008-05-14 22:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Ugly things indeed, Mojca. And even more so given my limited skills. Here is what I have for “H” with a breve accent below. \def\Hbrevebelow{H\smash{\lower1.9ex\hbox{\kern-3pt\llap{\char'010}}} \kern3pt} This only “works” in an italic environment by the way. With apologies to the wizards on this list, Alan On May 14, 2008, at 13;17,49 , Mojca Miklavec wrote: > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: >> Many thanks, Idris and Mojca. >> >> If all goes well, I will move to luatex this summer---that really >> does >> seem to be the way to go---and then investigate XeTeX, which I gather >> is now functioning well with luatex. For now, however, I will have to >> cobble a macro using hints that Mojca provided. > > My hint(s) only work in XeTeX and LuaTeX. > >> By the way I am using Latin Modern (ec encoding). > > With ec encoding you really need to do ugly things. You need to > compose a character by more or less manually lowering the breve accent > and take care for italic correction yourself. Not even accent > primitive can be used for it. And you cannot use the combining accent > after the character or the proper Unicode glyph (though the latter > might be possible by patching some definition in ConTeXt core), you > always need to use a macro. > > With XeTeX and LuaTeX all that comes (almost) for free. > > Mojca > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an > entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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