* Bitstream Charter vs. Charis SIL
@ 2008-06-07 9:34 Mojca Miklavec
2008-06-07 9:51 ` Taco Hoekwater
2008-06-09 6:59 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2008-06-07 9:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
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>> (/home/diego/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-xtx.tex)
>> ! Font \*map7ptrmscss*:=CharterBT-SmallCap at 6.64998pt not loadable:
>> Metric (TFM) file or installed font not found.
>
> That's because of
>
> \definefontsynonym [Charter-Roman [name:CharterBT-Roman] % or: [bchr8a]
> \definefontsynonym [Charter-Italic] [name:CharterBT-Italic] % or: [bchri8a]
> \definefontsynonym [Charter-Bold] [name:CharterBT-Bold] % or: [bchb8a]
> \definefontsynonym [Charter-BoldItalic] [name:CharterBT-BoldItalic] % or: [bchbi8a]
> \definefontsynonym [Charter-Slanted] [name:CharterBT-Italic] % or: [bchri8a]
> \definefontsynonym [Charter-BoldSlanted] [name:CharterBT-BoldItalic] % or: [bchbi8a]
> \definefontsynonym [Charter-Roman-Caps] [name:CharterBT-SmallCap] % or: [bchrc8a]
>
> The fonts are on
> http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/charter/
> and I can add them, but there is still one problem.
>
> Since fonts are defined this way, you would need to configure
> fc-config to look for fonts in that directory in order to find the
> font. Or one would need to change the definition.
>
> Hans - what would be the implications for LuaTeX if
> name:CharterBT-Roman
> was changed into
> file:bchr8a
> ? Not suggesting that yet, only asking.
Now that I'm looking at it again at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitstream_Charter:
> This has resulted in derivatives of Bitstream Charter becoming available, including Charis SIL.
What about adding
http://scripts.sil.org/CharisSILfont
to the distribution, possibly including TeX Live, and replacing the
definitions to use CharisSIL in XeTeX/LuaTeX instead of Bitstream
Charter? The same move that has happened with TeX Gyre? Any comments?
Suggestions?
Mojca
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* Re: Bitstream Charter vs. Charis SIL
2008-06-07 9:34 Bitstream Charter vs. Charis SIL Mojca Miklavec
@ 2008-06-07 9:51 ` Taco Hoekwater
2008-06-09 6:59 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2008-06-07 9:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>
> Now that I'm looking at it again at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitstream_Charter:
>
>> This has resulted in derivatives of Bitstream Charter becoming available, including Charis SIL.
>
> What about adding
> http://scripts.sil.org/CharisSILfont
> to the distribution, possibly including TeX Live, and replacing the
> definitions to use CharisSIL in XeTeX/LuaTeX instead of Bitstream
> Charter? The same move that has happened with TeX Gyre? Any comments?
> Suggestions?
Good thinking! /me agrees heartily
Taco
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* Re: Bitstream Charter vs. Charis SIL
2008-06-07 9:34 Bitstream Charter vs. Charis SIL Mojca Miklavec
2008-06-07 9:51 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2008-06-09 6:59 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2008-06-09 7:04 ` Taco Hoekwater
2008-06-09 8:04 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2008-06-09 6:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Mojca Miklavec
<mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> (/home/diego/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-xtx.tex)
>>> ! Font \*map7ptrmscss*:=CharterBT-SmallCap at 6.64998pt not loadable:
>>> Metric (TFM) file or installed font not found.
>>
>> That's because of
>>
>> \definefontsynonym [Charter-Roman [name:CharterBT-Roman] % or: [bchr8a]
>> \definefontsynonym [Charter-Italic] [name:CharterBT-Italic] % or: [bchri8a]
>> \definefontsynonym [Charter-Bold] [name:CharterBT-Bold] % or: [bchb8a]
>> \definefontsynonym [Charter-BoldItalic] [name:CharterBT-BoldItalic] % or: [bchbi8a]
>> \definefontsynonym [Charter-Slanted] [name:CharterBT-Italic] % or: [bchri8a]
>> \definefontsynonym [Charter-BoldSlanted] [name:CharterBT-BoldItalic] % or: [bchbi8a]
>> \definefontsynonym [Charter-Roman-Caps] [name:CharterBT-SmallCap] % or: [bchrc8a]
The last line should be removed, the Charter font on ctan has no
smallcaps and the
style is only commercial available
>> The fonts are on
>> http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/charter/
>> and I can add them, but there is still one problem.
>>
>> Since fonts are defined this way, you would need to configure
>> fc-config to look for fonts in that directory in order to find the
>> font. Or one would need to change the definition.
>>
>> Hans - what would be the implications for LuaTeX if
>> name:CharterBT-Roman
>> was changed into
>> file:bchr8a
>> ? Not suggesting that yet, only asking.
There is no difference, the same fonts are loaded, I tried this a month ago.
> Now that I'm looking at it again at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitstream_Charter:
>
>> This has resulted in derivatives of Bitstream Charter becoming available, including Charis SIL.
>
> What about adding
> http://scripts.sil.org/CharisSILfont
> to the distribution, possibly including TeX Live, and replacing the
> definitions to use CharisSIL in XeTeX/LuaTeX instead of Bitstream
> Charter? The same move that has happened with TeX Gyre? Any comments?
> Suggestions?
The fonts include more characters but come without any kerning information.
Wolfgang
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* Re: Bitstream Charter vs. Charis SIL
2008-06-09 6:59 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2008-06-09 7:04 ` Taco Hoekwater
2008-06-09 7:44 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2008-06-09 8:04 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2008-06-09 7:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
> There is no difference, the same fonts are loaded, I tried this a month ago.
>
>> Now that I'm looking at it again at
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitstream_Charter:
>>
>>> This has resulted in derivatives of Bitstream Charter becoming available, including Charis SIL.
>> What about adding
>> http://scripts.sil.org/CharisSILfont
>> to the distribution, possibly including TeX Live, and replacing the
>> definitions to use CharisSIL in XeTeX/LuaTeX instead of Bitstream
>> Charter? The same move that has happened with TeX Gyre? Any comments?
>> Suggestions?
>
> The fonts include more characters but come without any kerning information.
The kerning of Bitstream Charter is so dodgy that this is not
a big loss.
Best wishes,
Taco
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* Re: Bitstream Charter vs. Charis SIL
2008-06-09 7:04 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2008-06-09 7:44 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2008-06-09 7:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> wrote:
>
>
> Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>>
>> There is no difference, the same fonts are loaded, I tried this a month ago.
>>
>>> Now that I'm looking at it again at
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitstream_Charter:
>>>
>>>> This has resulted in derivatives of Bitstream Charter becoming available, including Charis SIL.
>>> What about adding
>>> http://scripts.sil.org/CharisSILfont
>>> to the distribution, possibly including TeX Live, and replacing the
>>> definitions to use CharisSIL in XeTeX/LuaTeX instead of Bitstream
>>> Charter? The same move that has happened with TeX Gyre? Any comments?
>>> Suggestions?
>>
>> The fonts include more characters but come without any kerning information.
>
> The kerning of Bitstream Charter is so dodgy that this is not
> a big loss.
I have no problem if this is so.
I encountered another problem in my own typescripts for Charis SIL,
I could use the bold style when I use the file name but not for the font name.
Try this:
\starttypescript [serif] [charissil]
\setups[font:fallback:serif]
\definefontsynonym [Serif] [CharisSIL-Regular]
\definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [CharisSIL-Italic]
\definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [CharisSIL-Bold]
\definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic] [CharisSIL-BoldItalic]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [serif] [charissil]
\definefontsynonym [CharisSIL-Regular] [file:CharisSILR]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [CharisSIL-Italic] [file:CharisSILI]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [CharisSIL-Bold] [file:CharisSILB]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [CharisSIL-BoldItalic] [file:CharisSILBI]
[features=default]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [charissil]
\definetypeface [charissil] [rm] [serif] [charissil] [default]
\stoptypescript
\usetypescript[charissil]
\setupbodyfont[charissil]
\starttext
\tf Text
\it Text
\bf Text
\bi Text
\stoptext
I get all four style in the output but when I use the font name in the
definition
the normal bold style is replace by the bolditalic style.
\starttypescript [serif] [charissil]
\definefontsynonym [CharisSIL-Regular] [name:Charis SIL]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [CharisSIL-Italic] [name:Charis SIL Italic]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [CharisSIL-Bold] [name:Charis SIL Bold]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [CharisSIL-BoldItalic] [name:Charis SIL Bold
Italic] [features=default]
\stoptypescript
Wolfgang
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* Re: Bitstream Charter vs. Charis SIL
2008-06-09 6:59 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2008-06-09 7:04 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2008-06-09 8:04 ` Hans Hagen
2008-06-09 8:24 ` Mojca Miklavec
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2008-06-09 8:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>>> \definefontsynonym [Charter-Roman-Caps] [name:CharterBT-SmallCap] % or: [bchrc8a]
>
> The last line should be removed, the Charter font on ctan has no
> smallcaps and the
> style is only commercial available
ok, remapped
>>> Hans - what would be the implications for LuaTeX if
>>> name:CharterBT-Roman
>>> was changed into
>>> file:bchr8a
>>> ? Not suggesting that yet, only asking.
>
> There is no difference, the same fonts are loaded, I tried this a month ago.
indeed
Hans
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* Re: Bitstream Charter vs. Charis SIL
2008-06-09 8:04 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2008-06-09 8:24 ` Mojca Miklavec
2008-06-09 8:35 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2008-06-09 8:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
>>>> \definefontsynonym [Charter-Roman-Caps] [name:CharterBT-SmallCap] % or: [bchrc8a]
>>
>> The last line should be removed, the Charter font on ctan has no
>> smallcaps and the
>> style is only commercial available
>
> ok, remapped
>
>>>> Hans - what would be the implications for LuaTeX if
>>>> name:CharterBT-Roman
>>>> was changed into
>>>> file:bchr8a
>>>> ? Not suggesting that yet, only asking.
>>
>> There is no difference, the same fonts are loaded, I tried this a month ago.
>
> indeed
In that case: it would be much more XeTeX-friendly if filename can be
provided, since XeTeX is not able to search for font names in TeX
trees unless fontconfig is specifically configured that way.
Thanks,
Mojca
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* Re: Bitstream Charter vs. Charis SIL
2008-06-09 8:24 ` Mojca Miklavec
@ 2008-06-09 8:35 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2008-06-09 8:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>>
>>>>> \definefontsynonym [Charter-Roman-Caps] [name:CharterBT-SmallCap] % or: [bchrc8a]
>>> The last line should be removed, the Charter font on ctan has no
>>> smallcaps and the
>>> style is only commercial available
>> ok, remapped
>>
>>>>> Hans - what would be the implications for LuaTeX if
>>>>> name:CharterBT-Roman
>>>>> was changed into
>>>>> file:bchr8a
>>>>> ? Not suggesting that yet, only asking.
>>> There is no difference, the same fonts are loaded, I tried this a month ago.
>> indeed
>
> In that case: it would be much more XeTeX-friendly if filename can be
> provided, since XeTeX is not able to search for font names in TeX
> trees unless fontconfig is specifically configured that way.
maybe for those extra fonts provide a special definition file for xetex
then; at the top of the normal file we can do a check for xetex and then
load another file (it all depends on the quality of the filenames and
font filenames are often obscure and/or inconsistent)
anyhow, i suppose that this kind of definitions have to go in
type-sil.tex or so; in that case maybe we also need to define the other
sil fonts there
Hans
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