From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/41507 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Luatex (actually Aleph) and Bidi_Mirrored chars in RTL mode Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:34:42 +0200 Message-ID: <484E2E92.7050200@wxs.nl> References: <20080609012128.GA8011@khaled-laptop> <20080610013600.GG18755@phare.normalesup.org> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1213083382 18796 80.91.229.12 (10 Jun 2008 07:36:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:36:22 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Tue Jun 10 09:37:05 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K5yPb-00026X-HN for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:36:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C2F71FCAA; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:36:10 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07552-02-5; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:35:33 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99DAC1FCE8; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:35:22 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45041FCE8 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:35:20 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08814-02-4 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:34:45 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail.pragma-ade.net (dsl-083-247-100-017.solcon.nl [83.247.100.17]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A9F1FCA3 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:34:45 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [10.100.1.100] (unverified [10.100.1.100]) by controller-1 (SurgeMail 3.9e) with ESMTP id 11724-1840426 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:34:45 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: 10.100.1.100 X-Authenticated-User: hagen@controller-1 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:41507 Archived-At: Idris Samawi Hamid wrote: > Granted. The main point is that we have to reinterpret bidi in way that > fits with TeX's/ConTeXt's needs, idiosyncracies, etc.... I don't believe > we need to treat the unicode bidi algorithm as canonical. i think that we should stick to things that make sense; with tex we're often talking of tagged sources and anything ambiguous should be tagged; in a sense this is not even related to arab at all, take an url ... i can imagine an url-algorithm, but it could never be perfect (just see what some programs that try to do it sometimes make of it) if for instance ( ) are officially not symbols but open/close thingies, then we need to deal with them (although i then wonder why we have no proper open/close code point for them instead of reusing the ascii () which have for users some expected visual appearance, but in that respect unicode puzzles me on a daily basis) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________