* TeX Live and ConTeXt MKIV installation and maintenance
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@ 2008-07-10 13:56 ` Taco Hoekwater
2008-07-10 21:37 ` Aditya Mahajan
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2008-07-10 13:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Norbert Preining, Karl Berry
Hi all,
There now is a wiki page documenting the setup and maintenance of mkiv:
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Running_Mark_IV
The page can still be improved upon (of course), so if you know
of something that needs to be added or explained better, please do so.
I wrote this page with the texlive 2008 users in mind, but I think most
of it applies to the new context minimals as well.
For the people not on the texlive list: After ample consideration and
discussion, we have decided that texlive will not attempt to do any
configuration of mkiv at all other than making sure the three commands
(luatools, mtxrun, context) are available in the bin directory.
Everything else is left up to the user. But of course we don't want
every single texlive context user to ask the same set of questions
again and again, so it is helpful to have a wiki page that explains
post-install configuration and maintenance. If you are a mkiv user
already, or willing to experiment trying to get mkiv running, please
have a look at that wiki page.
By the way, context on texlive2008 will be 2008.05.21. Mkii (pdftex
as well as xetex) runs out of the box, no post-install intervention
needed. But if someone is willing to do some extra tests, that will
be much appreciated. How to beta-test texlive2008 is explained in
ftp://tug.org/texlive/tlnet/tldev/README
Best wishes,
Taco
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* Re: TeX Live and ConTeXt MKIV installation and maintenance
2008-07-10 13:56 ` TeX Live and ConTeXt MKIV installation and maintenance Taco Hoekwater
@ 2008-07-10 21:37 ` Aditya Mahajan
2008-07-10 22:14 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2008-07-10 21:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
Quoting Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com>:
>
> Hi all,
>
> There now is a wiki page documenting the setup and maintenance of mkiv:
>
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Running_Mark_IV
>
> The page can still be improved upon (of course), so if you know
> of something that needs to be added or explained better, please do so.
> I wrote this page with the texlive 2008 users in mind, but I think most
> of it applies to the new context minimals as well.
This page is great. Thanks.
> By the way, context on texlive2008 will be 2008.05.21. Mkii (pdftex
> as well as xetex) runs out of the box, no post-install intervention
> needed. But if someone is willing to do some extra tests, that will
> be much appreciated. How to beta-test texlive2008 is explained in
>
> ftp://tug.org/texlive/tlnet/tldev/README
Is it possible to test texlive without uninstalling texlive2007
installed by a system package manager? Last time I tried texlive 2008,
mkiv setup was reading texmf.cnf that came with system installed
tl2007, and therefore could not find the correct files. I want to test
tl2008, but at the moment cannot afford to uninstall tl2007.
Aditya
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* Re: TeX Live and ConTeXt MKIV installation and maintenance
2008-07-10 21:37 ` Aditya Mahajan
@ 2008-07-10 22:14 ` Hans Hagen
2008-07-11 6:42 ` Taco Hoekwater
2008-07-12 15:07 ` George N. White III
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2008-07-10 22:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> Quoting Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com>:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> There now is a wiki page documenting the setup and maintenance of mkiv:
>>
>> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Running_Mark_IV
>>
>> The page can still be improved upon (of course), so if you know
>> of something that needs to be added or explained better, please do so.
>> I wrote this page with the texlive 2008 users in mind, but I think most
>> of it applies to the new context minimals as well.
>
> This page is great. Thanks.
>
>> By the way, context on texlive2008 will be 2008.05.21. Mkii (pdftex
>> as well as xetex) runs out of the box, no post-install intervention
>> needed. But if someone is willing to do some extra tests, that will
>> be much appreciated. How to beta-test texlive2008 is explained in
>>
>> ftp://tug.org/texlive/tlnet/tldev/README
>
> Is it possible to test texlive without uninstalling texlive2007
> installed by a system package manager? Last time I tried texlive 2008,
> mkiv setup was reading texmf.cnf that came with system installed
> tl2007, and therefore could not find the correct files. I want to test
> tl2008, but at the moment cannot afford to uninstall tl2007.
it's installed in a 2008 subtree so it should be possible to run them
alongside
Hans
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* Re: TeX Live and ConTeXt MKIV installation and maintenance
2008-07-10 21:37 ` Aditya Mahajan
2008-07-10 22:14 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2008-07-11 6:42 ` Taco Hoekwater
2008-07-12 15:07 ` George N. White III
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2008-07-11 6:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> Is it possible to test texlive without uninstalling texlive2007
> installed by a system package manager? Last time I tried texlive 2008,
> mkiv setup was reading texmf.cnf that came with system installed
> tl2007, and therefore could not find the correct files. I want to test
> tl2008, but at the moment cannot afford to uninstall tl2007.
It should work to have both installed together (unless your packaged
texlive depends on environment variables or your system has a texmf.cnf
that is not officially part of texlive).
Best wishes,
Taco
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* Re: TeX Live and ConTeXt MKIV installation and maintenance
2008-07-10 21:37 ` Aditya Mahajan
2008-07-10 22:14 ` Hans Hagen
2008-07-11 6:42 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2008-07-12 15:07 ` George N. White III
2008-07-12 16:56 ` Aditya Mahajan
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From: George N. White III @ 2008-07-12 15:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu> wrote:
> Is it possible to test texlive without uninstalling texlive2007
> installed by a system package manager? Last time I tried texlive 2008,
> mkiv setup was reading texmf.cnf that came with system installed
> tl2007, and therefore could not find the correct files. I want to test
> tl2008, but at the moment cannot afford to uninstall tl2007.
I have two versions of TL2007 (Red Hat's and one I maintain from
the svn repo) and have been testing TL2008 without removing.
TL is designed to work from a self-contained tree, but there are
a few potential problems to watch for:
0. Some Windows GUI environments may store the information
gleaned from the TeX configuration when they are first
installed, so you need to check which versions are being
used and be prepared to use command-line stuff if your
editor makes bad choices. This can also be an issue
with some *x GUI environments whre the app is started
by the GUI and doesn't see changes to the path made
in your current shell.
1. the default on is to have texlive/YYYY/texmf* trees with
texlive/texmf-local available to all the versions. If you have
put updates to TL2007 in your texmf-local, they may be older
versions than those in TL2008. The same applies to updates
in $HOME/texmf.
2. on *x be careful not to have the installer create symbolic links,
e.g., in /usr/bin. You can then select the version you want
by adjusting the PATH variable.
On *X I recommend the environment modules tools to manage
your PATH. This is available in some linux distros, and comes
with SGI Irix. Another approach that works on WIn32 and *x
is to write a script that sets the path and loads a shell. Then
you can use that for command-line processing, or start emacs
from the command-line to use AUCTeX.
3. formats and configs may end up in $HOME/.texliveYYYY,
which is OK if you are using only one install for a given year,
but can cause problems if you end up with two installs for the
same TL version. The solution is to make sure you use the
<tool>-sys versions to put configs and formats into the system
directories.
--
George N. White III <aa056@chebucto.ns.ca>
Head of St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia
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* Re: TeX Live and ConTeXt MKIV installation and maintenance
2008-07-12 15:07 ` George N. White III
@ 2008-07-12 16:56 ` Aditya Mahajan
2008-07-13 7:53 ` Taco Hoekwater
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From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2008-07-12 16:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, George N. White III wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu> wrote:
>
>> Is it possible to test texlive without uninstalling texlive2007
>> installed by a system package manager? Last time I tried texlive 2008,
>> mkiv setup was reading texmf.cnf that came with system installed
>> tl2007, and therefore could not find the correct files. I want to test
>> tl2008, but at the moment cannot afford to uninstall tl2007.
I also realized that I had TEXMFCNF variable set, which was causing
havoc with tl2008.
> I have two versions of TL2007 (Red Hat's and one I maintain from
> the svn repo) and have been testing TL2008 without removing.
> TL is designed to work from a self-contained tree, but there are
> a few potential problems to watch for:
>
> 0. Some Windows GUI environments may store the information
> gleaned from the TeX configuration when they are first
> installed, so you need to check which versions are being
> used and be prepared to use command-line stuff if your
> editor makes bad choices. This can also be an issue
> with some *x GUI environments whre the app is started
> by the GUI and doesn't see changes to the path made
> in your current shell.
>
> 1. the default on is to have texlive/YYYY/texmf* trees with
> texlive/texmf-local available to all the versions. If you have
> put updates to TL2007 in your texmf-local, they may be older
> versions than those in TL2008. The same applies to updates
> in $HOME/texmf.
>
> 2. on *x be careful not to have the installer create symbolic links,
> e.g., in /usr/bin. You can then select the version you want
> by adjusting the PATH variable.
>
>
> On *X I recommend the environment modules tools to manage
> your PATH. This is available in some linux distros, and comes
> with SGI Irix. Another approach that works on WIn32 and *x
> is to write a script that sets the path and loads a shell. Then
> you can use that for command-line processing, or start emacs
> from the command-line to use AUCTeX.
>
> 3. formats and configs may end up in $HOME/.texliveYYYY,
> which is OK if you are using only one install for a given year,
> but can cause problems if you end up with two installs for the
> same TL version. The solution is to make sure you use the
> <tool>-sys versions to put configs and formats into the system
> directories.
Thank you. I followed your instructions, and everything works perfectly.
(Well, I did have to manually follow the post-install instructions from
Taco). I only installed ConTeXt, american language and english
documentation. ConTeXt works fine, but the only third party module that is
installed in t-bib. Did I miss an option for installing ConTeXt third
party modules, or are they not present currently?
Aditya
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* Re: TeX Live and ConTeXt MKIV installation and maintenance
2008-07-12 16:56 ` Aditya Mahajan
@ 2008-07-13 7:53 ` Taco Hoekwater
2008-07-14 10:43 ` Mojca Miklavec
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2008-07-13 7:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>
> Thank you. I followed your instructions, and everything works perfectly.
> (Well, I did have to manually follow the post-install instructions from
> Taco). I only installed ConTeXt, american language and english
> documentation.
You don't really need the language, I think (but selecting one removes
the installer warning).
> ConTeXt works fine, but the only third party module that is
> installed in t-bib. Did I miss an option for installing ConTeXt third
> party modules, or are they not present currently?
Nothing is present in texlive at the moment (except a typescript from
the semaphor font package). I verified this by looking at the svn
repository.
Unless I badly misinterpreted something, Mojca is getting the modules
mirrored to CTAN so that they can be brought into texlive in the
'normal' way, but whether or not that will be sorted out in time for
the 2008 release of texlive I cannot say.
Best wishes,
Taco
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* Re: TeX Live and ConTeXt MKIV installation and maintenance
2008-07-13 7:53 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2008-07-14 10:43 ` Mojca Miklavec
2008-07-14 11:31 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2008-07-14 10:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>>
>> Thank you. I followed your instructions, and everything works perfectly.
>> (Well, I did have to manually follow the post-install instructions from
>> Taco). I only installed ConTeXt, american language and english
>> documentation.
>
> You don't really need the language, I think (but selecting one removes
> the installer warning).
I think that Norbert already implemented "if context scheme, no warning".
>> ConTeXt works fine, but the only third party module that is
>> installed in t-bib. Did I miss an option for installing ConTeXt third
>> party modules, or are they not present currently?
>
> Nothing is present in texlive at the moment (except a typescript from
> the semaphor font package). I verified this by looking at the svn
> repository.
>
> Unless I badly misinterpreted something, Mojca is getting the modules
> mirrored to CTAN so that they can be brought into texlive in the
> 'normal' way, but whether or not that will be sorted out in time for
> the 2008 release of texlive I cannot say.
The modules are mirrored on CTAN, but Karl sent me a list of questions
(I expected that). The "problem" is that TL assumes that package names
should be the same as folders where these packages reside.
In the specific case of t-letter, that means renaming
tex/context/third/letter to tex/context/third/context-letter, else
name clash with LaTeX package letter would occur ... But some better
solution needs to be found.
Mojca
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2008-07-14 10:43 ` Mojca Miklavec
@ 2008-07-14 11:31 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2008-07-14 11:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> In the specific case of t-letter, that means renaming
> tex/context/third/letter to tex/context/third/context-letter, else
> name clash with LaTeX package letter would occur ... But some better
> solution needs to be found.
we need to avoid too many variants, so better something like extra that
contains letter and more
context core
context modules
context styles
context fonts
not more granularity
Hans
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