From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/106059 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao!not-for-mail From: Thomas Savary Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: characterspacing not always working in LMTX Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:10:00 +0100 Organization: Correctionpro Message-ID: <4890898.pTjBHbTJas@debian> References: <5e1e39a1.1c69fb81.a2462.c312@mx.google.com> <9B89A203-F52F-46B8-99E5-E996A7F77507@elvenkind.com> <20200115120200.zudwxt2niqn23aim@phare.normalesup.org> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5036214314583131776==" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="14347"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Wed Jan 15 16:53:44 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from zapf.boekplan.nl ([5.39.185.232] helo=zapf.ntg.nl) by ciao with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1irkJe-0000E8-N1 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:10:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9463164D8D; Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:10:16 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at zapf.boekplan.nl Original-Received: from zapf.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zapf.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NnbFP7nR_t7w; Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:10:12 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from zapf.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F5A164D83; Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:10:12 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38FB1164D83 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:10:10 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at zapf.boekplan.nl Original-Received: from zapf.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zapf.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u_X1q-8Ho9to for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:10:06 +0100 (CET) Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=46.105.49.208; helo=20.mo7.mail-out.ovh.net; envelope-from=compo85@correctionpro.fr; receiver= X-Greylist: delayed 51532 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at zapf.ntg.nl; Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:10:06 CET Original-Received: from 20.mo7.mail-out.ovh.net (20.mo7.mail-out.ovh.net [46.105.49.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 969C7164D0A for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:10:06 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from player729.ha.ovh.net (unknown [10.108.1.146]) by mo7.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8551614BF14 for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:10:05 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from correctionpro.fr (lmontsouris-657-1-180-77.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.127.233.77]) (Authenticated sender: thomas.savary@correctionpro.fr) by player729.ha.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 03284E65A460; Wed, 15 Jan 2020 15:10:01 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <20200115120200.zudwxt2niqn23aim@phare.normalesup.org> X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 3120150118170450444 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: -100 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedrtdefgdejvdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfqggfjpdevjffgvefmvefgnecuuegrihhlohhuthemucehtddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufffkohgjfhggtgfgsegruferredttdejnecuhfhrohhmpefvhhhomhgrshcuufgrvhgrrhihuceotghomhhpohekheestghorhhrvggtthhiohhnphhrohdrfhhrqeenucffohhmrghinheprghrtghhihhvvgdrohhrghdptghomhhpohekhedrfhhrpdhnthhgrdhnlhdpphhrrghgmhgrqdgruggvrdhnlhdprggrnhhhvghtrdhnvghtpdgsihhtsghutghkvghtrdhorhhgpdgtohhnthgvgihtghgrrhguvghnrdhnvghtnecukfhppedtrddtrddtrddtpdekvddruddvjedrvdeffedrjeejnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdqohhuthdphhgvlhhopehplhgrhigvrhejvdelrdhhrgdrohhvhhdrnhgvthdpihhnvghtpedtrddtrddtrddtpdhmrghilhhfrhhomheptghomhhpohekheestghorhhrvggtthhiohhnphhrohdrfhhrpdhrtghpthhtohepnhhtghdqtgho nhhtvgigthesnhhtghdrnhhlnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: "ntg-context" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.comp.tex.context:106059 Archived-At: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============5036214314583131776== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="nextPart2021351.M6MUlLcGoB" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --nextPart2021351.M6MUlLcGoB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Arthur=E2=80=AF: > I think it happened at about the same time for English. Before that > it was pretty universal. See > https://archive.org/details/worksbenjaminfr06spargoog/page/n12 for just o= ne > example. >=20 > (The thin space in that example is really thin! -- but it=E2=80=99s def= initely > there) Exactly. And this is precisely the thin space still required in French=20 publications. The main disagreement among French typographs (about twenty y= ears=20 ago, at least) was about the fixed vs relative width of this thin space=E2= =80=AF: put=20 in TeX=E2=80=99s terms, should it be proportional to the glue or to the fon= t=E2=80=AF? I think I=E2=80=99d better write an article about this, with quotes and vis= ual=20 examples. Greetings Thomas Savary 1 le Grand-Plessis =46-85340 L=E2=80=99=C3=8Ele-d=E2=80=99Olonne T=C3=A9l. 06 22 82 61 34 https://compo85.fr/ mercredi 15 janvier 2020, =C3=A0 13:02:00 CET, Arthur Reutenauer a =C3=A9cr= it : > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 11:29:35AM +0100, Taco Hoekwater wrote: > > Dutch typesetting had some rules for thin spaces in a transition period > > from full spaces (early) to no spaces (modern). > >=20 > > Much of this change happened in the (late) 19th century, so I guess it = had > > more to do with linotype/monotype than with modern digitisation. > I think it happened at about the same time for English. Before that > it was pretty universal. See > https://archive.org/details/worksbenjaminfr06spargoog/page/n12 for just o= ne > example. >=20 > (The thin space in that example is really thin! -- but it=E2=80=99s def= initely > there) >=20 > Best, >=20 > Arthur > _________________________________________________________________________= ___ > _______ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an > entry to the Wiki! >=20 > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : > http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > _________________________________________________________________________= ___ > _______ --nextPart2021351.M6MUlLcGoB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"

Arthur=E2= =80=AF:

> I th= ink it happened at about the same time for English. Before that

> it was= pretty universal. See

> https:= //archive.org/details/worksbenjaminfr06spargoog/page/n12 for just one

> exampl= e.

> (The= thin space in that example is really thin! -- but it=E2=80=99s definitely<= /p>

> there)=

&nb= sp;

Exactly. An= d this is precisely the thin space still required in French publications. T= he main disagreement among French typographs (about twenty years ago, at le= ast) was about the fixed vs relative width of this thin space=E2=80=AF: put= in TeX=E2=80=99s terms, should it be proportional to the glue or to the fo= nt=E2=80=AF?

&nb= sp;

I think I= =E2=80=99d better write an article about this, with quotes and visual examp= les.

&nb= sp;

Greetings

&nb= sp;

Thomas Sava= ry

1 le Grand-= Plessis

F-85340 L= =E2=80=99=C3=8Ele-d=E2=80=99Olonne

T=C3=A9l. 0= 6 22 82 61 34

https://com= po85.fr/

&nb= sp;

mercredi 15= janvier 2020, =C3=A0 13:02:00 CET, Arthur Reutenauer a =C3=A9crit :

> On Wed= , Jan 15, 2020 at 11:29:35AM +0100, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

> > D= utch typesetting had some rules for thin spaces in a transition period

> > f= rom full spaces (early) to no spaces (modern).

> > <= /p>

> > M= uch of this change happened in the (late) 19th century, so I guess it had

> > m= ore to do with linotype/monotype than with modern digitisation.

> I th= ink it happened at about the same time for English. Before that

> it was= pretty universal. See

> https:= //archive.org/details/worksbenjaminfr06spargoog/page/n12 for just one

> exampl= e.

> (The= thin space in that example is really thin! -- but it=E2=80=99s definitely<= /p>

> there)=

> Best,=

> Arth= ur

> ______= ______________________________________________________________________

> ______= _ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an

> entry = to the Wiki!

> mailli= st : ntg-context@ntg.nl /

> http:/= /www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage :

> http:/= /www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net

> archiv= e : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/

> wiki = : http://contextgarden.net

> ______= ______________________________________________________________________

> ______= _

&nb= sp;

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