* inter-word spacing (initials)
@ 2008-08-02 22:57 Alan Bowen
2008-08-03 2:46 ` Charles P. Schaum
2008-08-03 16:05 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Alan Bowen @ 2008-08-02 22:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
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I apologize to all, but circumstances oblige me to pick up a very
pedestrian thread for the third time.
As Peter Münster noted: in the following test-file
\starttext
x. x, x x\crlf
x, x. x x\crlf
x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf
x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf
X. X, X X\crlf
X, X. X X\crlf
X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf
X.\ X,\ X\ X
\stoptext
you see 2 bugs:
- in MKIV there is no bigger space after "x."
- in MKII the space after "x.\ " is a big one
The problem remains in ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.31 16:30 for MKII (which
I am using). I am do not know if here have been any changes in MKIV.
Is there a fix for this in the works? I am about to publish a series
of pages which will look vastly better if this is fixed.
Alan
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* Re: inter-word spacing (initials)
2008-08-02 22:57 inter-word spacing (initials) Alan Bowen
@ 2008-08-03 2:46 ` Charles P. Schaum
2008-08-03 16:19 ` Alan Bowen
2008-08-03 16:05 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Charles P. Schaum @ 2008-08-03 2:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Alan,
If you wand quick and dirty because you are against a hard deadline, use
inline math mode and insert negative space $\!$ AFTER the x. and
IMMEDIATELY BEFORE the next bit. You could also define a macro \negspace
to do it as well:
\def\negspace{$\!$}
so that
x, x. \negspace x x
will yield the spacing that
x, x.\ x x
ought to. It's an UGLY hack, but you'd be surprised at how ugly I hacked
my own thesis in LaTeX to get it converted to Word and get it in on
time. The very memory is traumatic.
Charles
On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 18:57 -0400, Alan Bowen wrote:
> I apologize to all, but circumstances oblige me to pick up a very
> pedestrian thread for the third time.
>
> As Peter Münster noted: in the following test-file
>
> \starttext
> x. x, x x\crlf
> x, x. x x\crlf
> x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf
> x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf
> X. X, X X\crlf
> X, X. X X\crlf
> X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf
> X.\ X,\ X\ X
> \stoptext
>
> you see 2 bugs:
>
> - in MKIV there is no bigger space after "x."
> - in MKII the space after "x.\ " is a big one
>
> The problem remains in ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.31 16:30 for MKII (which
> I am using). I am do not know if here have been any changes in MKIV.
>
> Is there a fix for this in the works? I am about to publish a series
> of pages which will look vastly better if this is fixed.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
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* Re: inter-word spacing (initials)
2008-08-02 22:57 inter-word spacing (initials) Alan Bowen
2008-08-03 2:46 ` Charles P. Schaum
@ 2008-08-03 16:05 ` Hans Hagen
2008-08-03 16:25 ` Alan Bowen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2008-08-03 16:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Alan Bowen wrote:
> I apologize to all, but circumstances oblige me to pick up a very
> pedestrian thread for the third time.
>
> As Peter Münster noted: in the following test-file
>
> \starttext
> x. x, x x\crlf
> x, x. x x\crlf
> x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf
> x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf
> X. X, X X\crlf
> X, X. X X\crlf
> X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf
> X.\ X,\ X\ X
> \stoptext
>
> you see 2 bugs:
>
> - in MKIV there is no bigger space after "x."
> - in MKII the space after "x.\ " is a big one
>
> The problem remains in ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.31 16:30 for MKII (which
> I am using). I am do not know if here have been any changes in MKIV.
>
> Is there a fix for this in the works? I am about to publish a series
> of pages which will look vastly better if this is fixed.
\unexpanded\def\ {\mathortext\normalspaceprimitive\space}
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* Re: inter-word spacing (initials)
2008-08-03 2:46 ` Charles P. Schaum
@ 2008-08-03 16:19 ` Alan Bowen
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From: Alan Bowen @ 2008-08-03 16:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Many thanks, Charles. This does work and I will use it if push comes
to shove, as we say.
Alan
On Aug 2, 2008, at 22;46,00 , Charles P. Schaum wrote:
> Alan,
>
> If you wand quick and dirty because you are against a hard deadline,
> use
> inline math mode and insert negative space $\!$ AFTER the x. and
> IMMEDIATELY BEFORE the next bit. You could also define a macro
> \negspace
> to do it as well:
>
> \def\negspace{$\!$}
>
> so that
>
> x, x. \negspace x x
>
> will yield the spacing that
>
> x, x.\ x x
>
> ought to. It's an UGLY hack, but you'd be surprised at how ugly I
> hacked
> my own thesis in LaTeX to get it converted to Word and get it in on
> time. The very memory is traumatic.
>
> Charles
>
> On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 18:57 -0400, Alan Bowen wrote:
>> I apologize to all, but circumstances oblige me to pick up a very
>> pedestrian thread for the third time.
>>
>> As Peter Münster noted: in the following test-file
>>
>> \starttext
>> x. x, x x\crlf
>> x, x. x x\crlf
>> x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf
>> x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf
>> X. X, X X\crlf
>> X, X. X X\crlf
>> X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf
>> X.\ X,\ X\ X
>> \stoptext
>>
>> you see 2 bugs:
>>
>> - in MKIV there is no bigger space after "x."
>> - in MKII the space after "x.\ " is a big one
>>
>> The problem remains in ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.31 16:30 for MKII (which
>> I am using). I am do not know if here have been any changes in MKIV.
>>
>> Is there a fix for this in the works? I am about to publish a series
>> of pages which will look vastly better if this is fixed.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
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* Re: inter-word spacing (initials)
2008-08-03 16:05 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2008-08-03 16:25 ` Alan Bowen
2008-08-03 20:45 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Alan Bowen @ 2008-08-03 16:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Thanks, Hans. In my test file I now have
\mainlanguage[en]
\unexpanded\def\ {\mathortext\normalspaceprimitive\space}
\starttext
x. x, x x\crlf
x, x. x x\crlf
x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf
x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf
X. X, X X\crlf
X, X. X X\crlf
X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf
X.\ X,\ X\ X
\stoptext
Unfortunately, I do not see any effect in the output (under MKII).
The space after a period looks the same as the space after “.\ ”,
though it should be bigger.
Alan
On Aug 3, 2008, at 12;05,30 , Hans Hagen wrote:
> Alan Bowen wrote:
>> I apologize to all, but circumstances oblige me to pick up a very
>> pedestrian thread for the third time.
>>
>> As Peter Münster noted: in the following test-file
>>
>> \starttext
>> x. x, x x\crlf
>> x, x. x x\crlf
>> x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf
>> x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf
>> X. X, X X\crlf
>> X, X. X X\crlf
>> X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf
>> X.\ X,\ X\ X
>> \stoptext
>>
>> you see 2 bugs:
>>
>> - in MKIV there is no bigger space after "x."
>> - in MKII the space after "x.\ " is a big one
>>
>> The problem remains in ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.31 16:30 for MKII (which
>> I am using). I am do not know if here have been any changes in MKIV.
>>
>> Is there a fix for this in the works? I am about to publish a series
>> of pages which will look vastly better if this is fixed.
>
> \unexpanded\def\ {\mathortext\normalspaceprimitive\space}
>
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* Re: inter-word spacing (initials)
2008-08-03 16:25 ` Alan Bowen
@ 2008-08-03 20:45 ` Hans Hagen
2008-08-04 13:28 ` Alan Bowen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2008-08-03 20:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Alan Bowen wrote:
> Thanks, Hans. In my test file I now have
>
> \mainlanguage[en]
> \unexpanded\def\ {\mathortext\normalspaceprimitive\space}
>
> \starttext
>
> x. x, x x\crlf
> x, x. x x\crlf
> x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf
> x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf
> X. X, X X\crlf
> X, X. X X\crlf
> X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf
> X.\ X,\ X\ X
>
> \stoptext
>
> Unfortunately, I do not see any effect in the output (under MKII). The
> space after a period looks the same as the space after “.\ ”, though it
> should be bigger.
use \break instead, \crlf does a \hfill since there is no need for
stretch when using crlf
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* Re: inter-word spacing (initials)
2008-08-03 20:45 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2008-08-04 13:28 ` Alan Bowen
2008-08-04 14:23 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Alan Bowen @ 2008-08-04 13:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Thanks, Hans. I simplified the test file.
\mainlanguage[en]
\unexpanded\def\ {\mathortext\normalspaceprimitive\space}
\starttext
A. E. Samuels.
A.\ E.\ Samuels.
\stoptext
Do you see the required difference at your end? On my screen, the
two lines look exactly the same (regardless of the length of the
paragraphs).
Alan
On Aug 3, 2008, at 16;45,43 , Hans Hagen wrote:
> Alan Bowen wrote:
>> Thanks, Hans. In my test file I now have
>>
>> \mainlanguage[en]
>> \unexpanded\def\ {\mathortext\normalspaceprimitive\space}
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> x. x, x x\crlf
>> x, x. x x\crlf
>> x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf
>> x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf
>> X. X, X X\crlf
>> X, X. X X\crlf
>> X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf
>> X.\ X,\ X\ X
>>
>> \stoptext
>>
>> Unfortunately, I do not see any effect in the output (under MKII).
>> The
>> space after a period looks the same as the space after “.\ ”,
>> though it
>> should be bigger.
>
> use \break instead, \crlf does a \hfill since there is no need for
> stretch when using crlf
>
>
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* Re: inter-word spacing (initials)
2008-08-04 13:28 ` Alan Bowen
@ 2008-08-04 14:23 ` Hans Hagen
2008-08-04 17:23 ` Alan Bowen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2008-08-04 14:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Alan Bowen wrote:
> Thanks, Hans. I simplified the test file.
>
> \mainlanguage[en]
>
> \unexpanded\def\ {\mathortext\normalspaceprimitive\space}
>
> \starttext
>
> A. E. Samuels.
>
> A.\ E.\ Samuels.
>
> \stoptext
>
> Do you see the required difference at your end? On my screen, the
> two lines look exactly the same (regardless of the length of the
> paragraphs).
sure, a space is a space, instead use:
A.|~|E.|~|Samuels.
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* Re: inter-word spacing (initials)
2008-08-04 14:23 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2008-08-04 17:23 ` Alan Bowen
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From: Alan Bowen @ 2008-08-04 17:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
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That’s got it, Hans! I have replaced all my old “.\ ” with “.|~|”. My
pages look much better now. Many thanks indeed.
All best, Alan
On Aug 4, 2008, at 10;23,22 , Hans Hagen wrote:
> Alan Bowen wrote:
>> Thanks, Hans. I simplified the test file.
>>
>> \mainlanguage[en]
>>
>> \unexpanded\def\ {\mathortext\normalspaceprimitive\space}
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> A. E. Samuels.
>>
>> A.\ E.\ Samuels.
>>
>> \stoptext
>>
>> Do you see the required difference at your end? On my screen, the
>> two lines look exactly the same (regardless of the length of the
>> paragraphs).
>
> sure, a space is a space, instead use:
>
> A.|~|E.|~|Samuels.
>
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* Re: inter-word spacing (initials)
2008-07-18 19:22 ` Peter Münster
@ 2008-07-18 20:38 ` Alan Bowen
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From: Alan Bowen @ 2008-07-18 20:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Thanks, Peter. I was wondering about MKIV. (Switching is on my summer
“to do” list.)
Best, Alan
On Jul 18, 2008, at 15;22,31 , Peter Münster wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 18 2008, Alan Bowen wrote:
>
>> In (English) typography the spacing after a period within a sentence
>> is less that that after a period at the end of a sentence. Since the
>> days of Plain TeX, one achieved the proper spacing after an intra-
>> sentence period by entering “.\<space>”. My problem is that this no
>> longer seems to work with recent versions of ConTeXt/MKII: “.
>> \<space>”
>> does not seem to have any effect at all.
>
> There are 2 kinds of spaces:
>
> - inter-word space, that means a normal (strechable) space betweem
> words,
> examples:
> * word word
> * word, word
> * WORD. word
> * word.\ word
> * \mainlanguage[fr] word. word
>
> - bigger space after period in english text:
> * \mainlanguage[en] word. word
>
> And if you consider the following test-file:
>
> \starttext
> x. x, x x\crlf
> x, x. x x\crlf
> x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf
> x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf
> X. X, X X\crlf
> X, X. X X\crlf
> X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf
> X.\ X,\ X\ X
> \stoptext
>
> you see 2 bugs:
>
> - in MKIV there is no bigger space after "x."
> - in MKII the space after "x.\ " is a big one
>
> Tested with context source date: 2008.07.18 18:38.
>
> Cheers, Peter
>
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* Re: inter-word spacing (initials)
2008-07-18 18:40 ` Peter Rolf
@ 2008-07-18 20:33 ` Alan Bowen
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From: Alan Bowen @ 2008-07-18 20:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Thanks, Peter. You are right about (Plain) TeX--I just got into the
habit of inserting them.
Defining my own macro to reproduce the control space is a possibility,
and I will do that IF the current behavior of “.\ ’ and the tilde in
MKII is not remedied. (I have not switched to MKIV yet, but wonder
what happens there.) The downside is that there is a good number of
documents that will require have to be encoded accordingly.
Cheers, Alan
On Jul 18, 2008, at 14;40,39 , Peter Rolf wrote:
> Alan Bowen schrieb:
>> My original query has generated some interesting sidelines but no
>> solution, at least none that I can see. So, with all due apologies, I
>> shall presume on your patience by restating my query.
>>
>> In (English) typography the spacing after a period within a sentence
>> is less that that after a period at the end of a sentence. Since the
>> days of Plain TeX, one achieved the proper spacing after an intra-
>> sentence period by entering “.\<space>”. My problem is that this no
>> longer seems to work with recent versions of ConTeXt/MKII: “.
>> \<space>”
>> does not seem to have any effect at all.
>>
> are you sure of that?
>
> a citation from "The TeXbook", chapter 12: Glue
>
> "Another way to get TeX to put out a normal space is to type '\ '
> (control space); e.g., 'Mr.\ Drofnats' would be almost the same as
> 'Mr.~Drofnats', exept that a line might end after the 'Mr.'. "
>
> also: you don't need a control space here
>
> from the exercise 12.5:
>
> "TeX doesn't consider a period or question mark or exclamation point
> to
> be the end of a sentence if the preceding character is an uppercase
> letter, since TeX assumes that such uppercase letters are most likely
> somebody's initials'. "
>
>
> what you want is just a smaller skip. so how about a *local* use of
> something like
>
> \def\ {\thinspace}%
>
> donno if this is possible (side effects) in your environment. maybe
> one
> of the gurus can give an answer. anyhow, interesting stuff :)
>
>
> best wishes, peter
>
>> So, how are we now to get the proper spacing after an intra-sentence
>> period? Are there some language/spacing commands that need to be
>> invoked in the prelims now?
>>
>> Sample text:
>> \starttext
>>
>> A. E. Samuels and other scholars. The community of time{-}keepers.
>>
>> A.\ E.\ Samuels and other scholars. The community of time{-}keepers.
>>
>> \stoptext
>>
>> Alan
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* Re: inter-word spacing (initials)
2008-07-18 17:35 Alan Bowen
2008-07-18 18:40 ` Peter Rolf
@ 2008-07-18 19:22 ` Peter Münster
2008-07-18 20:38 ` Alan Bowen
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From: Peter Münster @ 2008-07-18 19:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Fri, Jul 18 2008, Alan Bowen wrote:
> In (English) typography the spacing after a period within a sentence
> is less that that after a period at the end of a sentence. Since the
> days of Plain TeX, one achieved the proper spacing after an intra-
> sentence period by entering “.\<space>”. My problem is that this no
> longer seems to work with recent versions of ConTeXt/MKII: “.\<space>”
> does not seem to have any effect at all.
There are 2 kinds of spaces:
- inter-word space, that means a normal (strechable) space betweem words,
examples:
* word word
* word, word
* WORD. word
* word.\ word
* \mainlanguage[fr] word. word
- bigger space after period in english text:
* \mainlanguage[en] word. word
And if you consider the following test-file:
\starttext
x. x, x x\crlf
x, x. x x\crlf
x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf
x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf
X. X, X X\crlf
X, X. X X\crlf
X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf
X.\ X,\ X\ X
\stoptext
you see 2 bugs:
- in MKIV there is no bigger space after "x."
- in MKII the space after "x.\ " is a big one
Tested with context source date: 2008.07.18 18:38.
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2008-07-18 17:35 Alan Bowen
@ 2008-07-18 18:40 ` Peter Rolf
2008-07-18 20:33 ` Alan Bowen
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From: Peter Rolf @ 2008-07-18 18:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Alan Bowen schrieb:
> My original query has generated some interesting sidelines but no
> solution, at least none that I can see. So, with all due apologies, I
> shall presume on your patience by restating my query.
>
> In (English) typography the spacing after a period within a sentence
> is less that that after a period at the end of a sentence. Since the
> days of Plain TeX, one achieved the proper spacing after an intra-
> sentence period by entering “.\<space>”. My problem is that this no
> longer seems to work with recent versions of ConTeXt/MKII: “.\<space>”
> does not seem to have any effect at all.
>
are you sure of that?
a citation from "The TeXbook", chapter 12: Glue
"Another way to get TeX to put out a normal space is to type '\ '
(control space); e.g., 'Mr.\ Drofnats' would be almost the same as
'Mr.~Drofnats', exept that a line might end after the 'Mr.'. "
also: you don't need a control space here
from the exercise 12.5:
"TeX doesn't consider a period or question mark or exclamation point to
be the end of a sentence if the preceding character is an uppercase
letter, since TeX assumes that such uppercase letters are most likely
somebody's initials'. "
what you want is just a smaller skip. so how about a *local* use of
something like
\def\ {\thinspace}%
donno if this is possible (side effects) in your environment. maybe one
of the gurus can give an answer. anyhow, interesting stuff :)
best wishes, peter
> So, how are we now to get the proper spacing after an intra-sentence
> period? Are there some language/spacing commands that need to be
> invoked in the prelims now?
>
> Sample text:
> \starttext
>
> A. E. Samuels and other scholars. The community of time{-}keepers.
>
> A.\ E.\ Samuels and other scholars. The community of time{-}keepers.
>
> \stoptext
>
> Alan
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* inter-word spacing (initials)
@ 2008-07-18 17:35 Alan Bowen
2008-07-18 18:40 ` Peter Rolf
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From: Alan Bowen @ 2008-07-18 17:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
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My original query has generated some interesting sidelines but no
solution, at least none that I can see. So, with all due apologies, I
shall presume on your patience by restating my query.
In (English) typography the spacing after a period within a sentence
is less that that after a period at the end of a sentence. Since the
days of Plain TeX, one achieved the proper spacing after an intra-
sentence period by entering “.\<space>”. My problem is that this no
longer seems to work with recent versions of ConTeXt/MKII: “.\<space>”
does not seem to have any effect at all.
So, how are we now to get the proper spacing after an intra-sentence
period? Are there some language/spacing commands that need to be
invoked in the prelims now?
Sample text:
\starttext
A. E. Samuels and other scholars. The community of time{-}keepers.
A.\ E.\ Samuels and other scholars. The community of time{-}keepers.
\stoptext
Alan
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* Re: inter-word spacing (initials)
2008-07-17 14:53 ` David
@ 2008-07-18 15:26 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2008-07-18 15:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:53 PM, David <davidandrewrogers@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:01:17 +0200, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
>> 2008/7/17 David <davidandrewrogers@gmail.com>:
>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:46:21 -0400, Alan Bowen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, David. I tried
>>>>
>>>> \starttext
>>>> A. E. Samuel\crlf
>>>> A.\ E.\ Samuel\crlf
>>>> A.~E.~Samuel
>>>>
>>>> \stoptext
>>>>
>>>> and can see no difference (ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.14 18:07 MKII). The
>>>> tilde is not really a good way for me to go. The problem is that I
>>>> publish a journal in which the bibliography is punctuated mainly by
>>>> "." Introducing tildes (which make spaces non-breaking) would affect
>>>> the line-breaking negatively.
>>>
>>> Oh - sorry about that.
>>>
>>> What happens if you use your preferred way, but add the command
>>> \fixedspaces somewhere previously in the document?
>>>
>>> I've discovered that this command is now required to get either the \ .
>>> or the ~. to have any effect for me. The problem is, I don't know how
>>> to turn it off afterwards. :-)
>>
>> You can't, there is no command to reset it but this should do it.
>>
>> \def\variablespaces
>> {\letcatcodecommand \ctxcatcodes `\~ \nonbreakablespace}
>
>
> Thanks Wolfgang. I prefer to have this behaviour available all the
> time, and I don't understand why anyone would want it turned off - just
> wanted to apologize for giving incomplete information.
>
> (Any idea why \fixedspaces has been changed from default to optional?)
What do you mean with this, enabling \fixedspaces by default would
be a stupid decision because ~ would now insert only a space with
the width of "0" and not the width from a normal space.
Wolfgang
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2008-07-17 15:13 ` Alan Bowen
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:13:15 -0400, Alan Bowen wrote:
> Thanks, David.
>
> I had not realized that there was a command \fixedspaces. Is it
> documented somewhere?
It's in cont-eni on page 72. However, I have not needed the command
until recently - I have used the tilde to create narrower spaces many
times without using \fixedspaces in my old files, but lately it seems
this step has become necessary (again?). I don't know when the change
took place.
David
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2008-07-17 13:46 ` David
2008-07-17 14:01 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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Thanks, David.
I had not realized that there was a command \fixedspaces. Is it
documented somewhere?
The sample file
\starttext
\fixedspaces
A. E. Samuel\crlf
A.\ E.\ Samuel\crlf
A.~E.~Samuel
\stoptext
still produces the same spacing for “A. E. Samuel” and “A.\ E.\
Samuel”. The spacing in “A.~E.~Samuel” is visibly larger.
We seem to have lost a very fundamental TeX feature here—and gained
others of questionable value such as the increased spacing after “)”.
Is there a way for a user to (re)define or customize such spacing
issues?
Alan
On Jul 17, 2008, at 09;46,18 , David wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:46:21 -0400, Alan Bowen wrote:
>
>> Thanks, David. I tried
>>
>> \starttext
>> A. E. Samuel\crlf
>> A.\ E.\ Samuel\crlf
>> A.~E.~Samuel
>>
>> \stoptext
>>
>> and can see no difference (ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.14 18:07 MKII). The
>> tilde is not really a good way for me to go. The problem is that I
>> publish a journal in which the bibliography is punctuated mainly by
>> “.” Introducing tildes (which make spaces non-breaking) would affect
>> the line-breaking negatively.
>
> Oh - sorry about that.
>
> What happens if you use your preferred way, but add the command
> \fixedspaces somewhere previously in the document?
>
> I've discovered that this command is now required to get either the
> \ .
> or the ~. to have any effect for me. The problem is, I don't know how
> to turn it off afterwards. :-)
>
> David
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2008-07-17 14:01 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2008-07-17 14:53 ` David
2008-07-18 15:26 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: David @ 2008-07-17 14:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:01:17 +0200, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> 2008/7/17 David <davidandrewrogers@gmail.com>:
>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:46:21 -0400, Alan Bowen wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, David. I tried
>>>
>>> \starttext
>>> A. E. Samuel\crlf
>>> A.\ E.\ Samuel\crlf
>>> A.~E.~Samuel
>>>
>>> \stoptext
>>>
>>> and can see no difference (ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.14 18:07 MKII). The
>>> tilde is not really a good way for me to go. The problem is that I
>>> publish a journal in which the bibliography is punctuated mainly by
>>> "." Introducing tildes (which make spaces non-breaking) would affect
>>> the line-breaking negatively.
>>
>> Oh - sorry about that.
>>
>> What happens if you use your preferred way, but add the command
>> \fixedspaces somewhere previously in the document?
>>
>> I've discovered that this command is now required to get either the \ .
>> or the ~. to have any effect for me. The problem is, I don't know how
>> to turn it off afterwards. :-)
>
> You can't, there is no command to reset it but this should do it.
>
> \def\variablespaces
> {\letcatcodecommand \ctxcatcodes `\~ \nonbreakablespace}
Thanks Wolfgang. I prefer to have this behaviour available all the
time, and I don't understand why anyone would want it turned off - just
wanted to apologize for giving incomplete information.
(Any idea why \fixedspaces has been changed from default to optional?)
Thanks
David
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* Re: inter-word spacing (initials)
2008-07-17 13:46 ` David
@ 2008-07-17 14:01 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2008-07-17 14:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
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2008/7/17 David <davidandrewrogers@gmail.com>:
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:46:21 -0400, Alan Bowen wrote:
>
>> Thanks, David. I tried
>>
>> \starttext
>> A. E. Samuel\crlf
>> A.\ E.\ Samuel\crlf
>> A.~E.~Samuel
>>
>> \stoptext
>>
>> and can see no difference (ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.14 18:07 MKII). The
>> tilde is not really a good way for me to go. The problem is that I
>> publish a journal in which the bibliography is punctuated mainly by
>> "." Introducing tildes (which make spaces non-breaking) would affect
>> the line-breaking negatively.
>
> Oh - sorry about that.
>
> What happens if you use your preferred way, but add the command
> \fixedspaces somewhere previously in the document?
>
> I've discovered that this command is now required to get either the \ .
> or the ~. to have any effect for me. The problem is, I don't know how
> to turn it off afterwards. :-)
You can't, there is no command to reset it but this should do it.
\def\variablespaces
{\letcatcodecommand \ctxcatcodes `\~ \nonbreakablespace}
Wolfgang
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2008-07-17 11:46 ` Alan Bowen
@ 2008-07-17 13:46 ` David
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From: David @ 2008-07-17 13:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:46:21 -0400, Alan Bowen wrote:
> Thanks, David. I tried
>
> \starttext
> A. E. Samuel\crlf
> A.\ E.\ Samuel\crlf
> A.~E.~Samuel
>
> \stoptext
>
> and can see no difference (ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.14 18:07 MKII). The
> tilde is not really a good way for me to go. The problem is that I
> publish a journal in which the bibliography is punctuated mainly by
> “.” Introducing tildes (which make spaces non-breaking) would affect
> the line-breaking negatively.
Oh - sorry about that.
What happens if you use your preferred way, but add the command
\fixedspaces somewhere previously in the document?
I've discovered that this command is now required to get either the \ .
or the ~. to have any effect for me. The problem is, I don't know how
to turn it off afterwards. :-)
David
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2008-07-17 11:56 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2008-07-17 12:19 ` Alan Bowen
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From: Alan Bowen @ 2008-07-17 12:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
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That is my understanding too, Wolfgang. But I am just not seeing it
either in the example or in my documents.
So what’s up? As I said in a more recent posting, this is affecting my
journal adversely.
Alan
On Jul 17, 2008, at 07;56,25 , Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Alan Bowen <acbowen@princeton.edu>
> wrote:
>> I have the latest ConTeXt and am using mkii.
>>
>> One used to be able to reduce the spacing after an initial by by
>> typing ".\<space>", but this no longer seems to work. Compare the
>> inter-word spacing in
>>
>> \starttext
>> A. E. Samuel\crlf
>> A.\ E.\ Samuel
>>
>> \stoptext
>>
>> If the is a difference here, I am having trouble seeing it; and on a
>> typeset page, the gaps after the initials just seem too big.
>>
>> In general, I find that the spacing after certain characters ---e.g.,
>> ")"---has been increased of late. Is this in fact the case? Or should
>> I go back to my old glasses?
>
> AFAIK the '\ ' after the dot should prevent to stretch the space.
>
> Wolfgang
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2008-07-15 21:26 Alan Bowen
@ 2008-07-17 11:56 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2008-07-17 11:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:26 PM, Alan Bowen <acbowen@princeton.edu> wrote:
> I have the latest ConTeXt and am using mkii.
>
> One used to be able to reduce the spacing after an initial by by
> typing ".\<space>", but this no longer seems to work. Compare the
> inter-word spacing in
>
> \starttext
> A. E. Samuel\crlf
> A.\ E.\ Samuel
>
> \stoptext
>
> If the is a difference here, I am having trouble seeing it; and on a
> typeset page, the gaps after the initials just seem too big.
>
> In general, I find that the spacing after certain characters ---e.g.,
> ")"---has been increased of late. Is this in fact the case? Or should
> I go back to my old glasses?
AFAIK the '\ ' after the dot should prevent to stretch the space.
Wolfgang
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2008-07-17 13:46 ` David
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From: Alan Bowen @ 2008-07-17 11:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Thanks, David. I tried
\starttext
A. E. Samuel\crlf
A.\ E.\ Samuel\crlf
A.~E.~Samuel
\stoptext
and can see no difference (ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.14 18:07 MKII). The
tilde is not really a good way for me to go. The problem is that I
publish a journal in which the bibliography is punctuated mainly by
“.” Introducing tildes (which make spaces non-breaking) would affect
the line-breaking negatively.
Alan
On Jul 16, 2008, at 22;27,59 , David wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:30:19 -0400, Alan Bowen wrote:
>
>> I have the latest ConTeXt and am using mkii.
>>
>> One used to be able to reduce the spacing after an initial by by
>> typing “.\<space>”, but this no longer seems to work. Compare the
>> inter-word spacing in
>>
>> \starttext
>> A. E. Samuel\crlf
>> A.\ E.\ Samuel
>>
>> \stoptext
>>
>> If the is a difference here, I am having trouble seeing it; and on a
>> typeset page, the gaps after the initials just seem too big.
>>
>> In general, I find that the spacing after certain characters ---e.g.,
>> “)”---has been increased of late. Is this in fact the case? Or should
>> I go back to my old glasses?
>
> Have you tried:
>
> \starttext
> A. E. Samuel\crlf
> A.~E.~Samuel
>
> \stoptext
>
> ?
>
> Last time I tried, this one worked for me.
>
> David
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* Re: inter-word spacing (initials)
2008-07-15 21:30 Alan Bowen
@ 2008-07-17 2:27 ` David
2008-07-17 11:46 ` Alan Bowen
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From: David @ 2008-07-17 2:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:30:19 -0400, Alan Bowen wrote:
> I have the latest ConTeXt and am using mkii.
>
> One used to be able to reduce the spacing after an initial by by
> typing “.\<space>”, but this no longer seems to work. Compare the
> inter-word spacing in
>
> \starttext
> A. E. Samuel\crlf
> A.\ E.\ Samuel
>
> \stoptext
>
> If the is a difference here, I am having trouble seeing it; and on a
> typeset page, the gaps after the initials just seem too big.
>
> In general, I find that the spacing after certain characters ---e.g.,
> “)”---has been increased of late. Is this in fact the case? Or should
> I go back to my old glasses?
Have you tried:
\starttext
A. E. Samuel\crlf
A.~E.~Samuel
\stoptext
?
Last time I tried, this one worked for me.
David
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* inter-word spacing (initials)
@ 2008-07-15 21:30 Alan Bowen
2008-07-17 2:27 ` David
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From: Alan Bowen @ 2008-07-15 21:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
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I have the latest ConTeXt and am using mkii.
One used to be able to reduce the spacing after an initial by by
typing “.\<space>”, but this no longer seems to work. Compare the
inter-word spacing in
\starttext
A. E. Samuel\crlf
A.\ E.\ Samuel
\stoptext
If the is a difference here, I am having trouble seeing it; and on a
typeset page, the gaps after the initials just seem too big.
In general, I find that the spacing after certain characters ---e.g.,
“)”---has been increased of late. Is this in fact the case? Or should
I go back to my old glasses?
Cheers, Alan
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* inter-word spacing (initials)
@ 2008-07-15 21:26 Alan Bowen
2008-07-17 11:56 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Alan Bowen @ 2008-07-15 21:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
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I have the latest ConTeXt and am using mkii.
One used to be able to reduce the spacing after an initial by by
typing “.\<space>”, but this no longer seems to work. Compare the
inter-word spacing in
\starttext
A. E. Samuel\crlf
A.\ E.\ Samuel
\stoptext
If the is a difference here, I am having trouble seeing it; and on a
typeset page, the gaps after the initials just seem too big.
In general, I find that the spacing after certain characters ---e.g.,
“)”---has been increased of late. Is this in fact the case? Or should
I go back to my old glasses?
Cheers, Alan
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