greek

greek

[Jörg Hagmann]

Two questions concerning greek modules:

1. I switched to the new minimal installation (on a Mac and an ubuntu 
system) and noticed that I had to install the cb-fonts (for 
\usemodule[greek]) myself. Will the fonts be included in the future? 
(Just a question; I think they should be).

2. I wanted to try the t-greek-2008.05.11 module and unzipped in 
texmf-local (where I keep my fonts). The  "Greek in  proper context" 
etc. articles seem to be outdated, but  from the sources I gathered that 
\usemodule[ancientgreek] or \usemodule[oldgreek] may be used, the latter 
only if the former doesn't work. I have the following problems/questions:

A. \usemodule[ancientgreek] doesn't work (mark ii or mark iv). It gives 
me, e.g.:

    ! Missing number, treated as zero.
    <to be read again>
                       \penalty
    \CCC:4:126 ->\penalty
                          \plustenthousand \space
    \defineactivecharacter ... {\string #1#2}\empty #1
                                                      #2\else \uccode
    \activehac...

    \@@su:enablegreek ...vecharacter ~ {\lettertilde }
                                                     
    \defineactivecharacter | {...

    \localgreek #1->\bgroup \directsetup {enablegreek}
                                                      {#1}\egroup
    l.6 \localgreek{mo~usa,}
                           
    ?


B. \usemodule[oldgreek] works with the default font or with Teubner 
(mark ii and mark iv). But not with Gentium, although the TrueType fonts 
are installed in texmf-local>fonts>truetype>greek>gentium:

    !pdfTeX error: pdftex (file gentium): Font gentium at 720 not found
     ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!


There is no pdf file in the "doc" directory. Maybe a new version is 
under construction?
Why is it better to use the module "ancientgreek"?

Thanks, Jörg
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Re: greek

[Hans Hagen]

Jörg Hagmann wrote:
> Two questions concerning greek modules:
> 
> 1. I switched to the new minimal installation (on a Mac and an ubuntu 
> system) and noticed that I had to install the cb-fonts (for 
> \usemodule[greek]) myself. Will the fonts be included in the future? 
> (Just a question; I think they should be).

these fonts are so huge ... we expect gyre to solve part of this problem


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Re: greek

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Aug 4, 2008, at 4:49 PM, Jörg Hagmann wrote:

> Two questions concerning greek modules:
>
> 2. I wanted to try the t-greek-2008.05.11 module and unzipped in
> texmf-local (where I keep my fonts). The  "Greek in  proper context"
> etc. articles seem to be outdated, but  from the sources I gathered  
> that
> \usemodule[ancientgreek] or \usemodule[oldgreek] may be used, the  
> latter
> only if the former doesn't work. I have the following problems/ 
> questions:
>
> A. \usemodule[ancientgreek] doesn't work (mark ii or mark iv). It  
> gives
> me, e.g.:
>
>    ! Missing number, treated as zero.
>    <to be read again>
>                       \penalty
>    \CCC:4:126 ->\penalty
>                          \plustenthousand \space
>    \defineactivecharacter ... {\string #1#2}\empty #1
>                                                      #2\else \uccode
>    \activehac...
>
>    \@@su:enablegreek ...vecharacter ~ {\lettertilde }
>
>    \defineactivecharacter | {...
>
>    \localgreek #1->\bgroup \directsetup {enablegreek}
>                                                      {#1}\egroup
>    l.6 \localgreek{mo~usa,}
>
>    ?
>

Oh sorry, that's an error that crept in when handling of active  
characters was changed a couple of weeks ago; I changed it in my own  
copy on my box but forgot to upload a new version... Will upload today.

>
> B. \usemodule[oldgreek] works with the default font or with Teubner
> (mark ii and mark iv). But not with Gentium, although the TrueType  
> fonts
> are installed in texmf-local>fonts>truetype>greek>gentium:
>
>    !pdfTeX error: pdftex (file gentium): Font gentium at 720 not found
>     ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!

That's bizarre. What are the names of the truetype files that you have  
installed?

>
>
>
> There is no pdf file in the "doc" directory. Maybe a new version is
> under construction?
> Why is it better to use the module "ancientgreek"?

t-ancientgreek makes use of ConTeXt typescripts. It allows use of  
fontswitches such as \em or \bf within Greek text. In the very remote  
past, I encountered some errors; that's why I provided the t-oldgreek  
which defines font in a more low-level way. It's really only a  
workaround and should probably disappear altogether; I haven't seen  
any of these errors in the past. It is also fairly agnostic concerning  
the engine (mkii or XeTeX or mkiv, though not all fonts will work with  
all versions) while t-oldgreek will only work with mkii.

Thomas
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Re: greek

[Jörg Hagmann]

Hi Thomas,

Thanks for the explanations.
> Oh sorry, that's an error that crept in when handling of active  
> characters was changed a couple of weeks ago; I changed it in my own  
> copy on my box but forgot to upload a new version... Will upload today.
>   
Thanks. Looking forward to the new version.
>> B. \usemodule[oldgreek] works with the default font or with Teubner
>> (mark ii and mark iv). But not with Gentium, although the TrueType  
>> fonts
>> are installed in texmf-local>fonts>truetype>greek>gentium:
>>
>>    !pdfTeX error: pdftex (file gentium): Font gentium at 720 not found
>>     ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!
>>     
>
> That's bizarre. What are the names of the truetype files that you have  
> installed?
>   
GenAI102.TTF    GenAR102.TTF    GenI102.TTF    GenR102.TTF

I didn't install these, they were in your zip. I downloaded from sil but 
saw that they are the same.
Maybe I chose the wrong name in my setup? I used 
\usemodule[oldgreek][font=Gentium] (also tried "gentium" and "Gentium102")

Regards, Jörg
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Re: greek

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Aug 11, 2008, at 8:22 AM, Jörg Hagmann wrote:

>>
> Thanks. Looking forward to the new version.

New version has been uploaded; let me know if this one works

>
>>> B. \usemodule[oldgreek] works with the default font or with Teubner
>>> (mark ii and mark iv). But not with Gentium, although the TrueType
>>> fonts
>>> are installed in texmf-local>fonts>truetype>greek>gentium:
>>>
>>>   !pdfTeX error: pdftex (file gentium): Font gentium at 720 not  
>>> found
>>>    ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!
>>>
>>
>> That's bizarre. What are the names of the truetype files that you  
>> have
>> installed?
>>
> GenAI102.TTF    GenAR102.TTF    GenI102.TTF    GenR102.TTF
>
> I didn't install these, they were in your zip. I downloaded from sil  
> but
> saw that they are the same.
> Maybe I chose the wrong name in my setup? I used
> \usemodule[oldgreek][font=Gentium] (also tried "gentium" and  
> "Gentium102")
>
Yes, it's font=GreekGentium

I guess I need to include the documentation in the distribution again;  
most users just don't seem to be able to read my mind... :-)

Thomas
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Re: greek

[Jörg Hagmann]

Thank you, it works nicely.

Jörg

Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> On Aug 11, 2008, at 8:22 AM, Jörg Hagmann wrote:
>
>   
>> Thanks. Looking forward to the new version.
>>     
>
> New version has been uploaded; let me know if this one works
>
>   
>>>> B. \usemodule[oldgreek] works with the default font or with Teubner
>>>> (mark ii and mark iv). But not with Gentium, although the TrueType
>>>> fonts
>>>> are installed in texmf-local>fonts>truetype>greek>gentium:
>>>>
>>>>   !pdfTeX error: pdftex (file gentium): Font gentium at 720 not  
>>>> found
>>>>    ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> That's bizarre. What are the names of the truetype files that you  
>>> have
>>> installed?
>>>
>>>       
>> GenAI102.TTF    GenAR102.TTF    GenI102.TTF    GenR102.TTF
>>
>> I didn't install these, they were in your zip. I downloaded from sil  
>> but
>> saw that they are the same.
>> Maybe I chose the wrong name in my setup? I used
>> \usemodule[oldgreek][font=Gentium] (also tried "gentium" and  
>> "Gentium102")
>>
>>     
> Yes, it's font=GreekGentium
>
> I guess I need to include the documentation in the distribution again;  
> most users just don't seem to be able to read my mind... :-)
>
> Thomas
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Re: greek

[Jörg Hagmann]

A postscript to greek issues:

As I wrote, everything works fine now---with Mark II, which is what I 
still use.

When I try "context mygreekfile.tex", without any font specification, 
the following characters are missing:
lower case: c (end of word sigma), m (mu), and s (sigma)
upper case: same

If I specify font=Ibycus, it works fine
If I specify font=Teubner, I get no greek, just roman characters (but 
the same tex file works when compiled with "texexec")
If I specify font=GreekGentium, I get no output (Invalid glyph index 
(git 1714) ==> Fatal error etc. Again, this works with "texexec".

I'm using recent minimals (Contextgarden) on Mac OS X Leopard and ubuntu.

If it's got something to do with my not knowing how to deal with fonts 
in Mark IV (which is the case), just ignore this message. But if the 
reasons are deeper, it might be of interest to you.

Cheers, Jörg

Jörg Hagmann wrote:
> Thank you, it works nicely.
>
> Jörg
>
> Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
>   
>> On Aug 11, 2008, at 8:22 AM, Jörg Hagmann wrote:
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> Thanks. Looking forward to the new version.
>>>     
>>>       
>> New version has been uploaded; let me know if this one works
>>
>>   
>>     
>>>>> B. \usemodule[oldgreek] works with the default font or with Teubner
>>>>> (mark ii and mark iv). But not with Gentium, although the TrueType
>>>>> fonts
>>>>> are installed in texmf-local>fonts>truetype>greek>gentium:
>>>>>
>>>>>   !pdfTeX error: pdftex (file gentium): Font gentium at 720 not  
>>>>> found
>>>>>    ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!
>>>>>
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> That's bizarre. What are the names of the truetype files that you  
>>>> have
>>>> installed?
>>>>
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> GenAI102.TTF    GenAR102.TTF    GenI102.TTF    GenR102.TTF
>>>
>>> I didn't install these, they were in your zip. I downloaded from sil  
>>> but
>>> saw that they are the same.
>>> Maybe I chose the wrong name in my setup? I used
>>> \usemodule[oldgreek][font=Gentium] (also tried "gentium" and  
>>> "Gentium102")
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
>> Yes, it's font=GreekGentium
>>
>> I guess I need to include the documentation in the distribution again;  
>> most users just don't seem to be able to read my mind... :-)
>>
>> Thomas
>> ___________________________________________________________________________________
>>     
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Re: greek

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Aug 12, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Jörg Hagmann wrote:

> A postscript to greek issues:

Thanks for the report.

>
> As I wrote, everything works fine now---with Mark II, which is what I
> still use.
>
> When I try "context mygreekfile.tex", without any font specification,
> the following characters are missing:
> lower case: c (end of word sigma), m (mu), and s (sigma)
> upper case: same
>
> If I specify font=Ibycus, it works fine
> If I specify font=Teubner, I get no greek, just roman characters (but
> the same tex file works when compiled with "texexec")
> If I specify font=GreekGentium, I get no output (Invalid glyph index
> (git 1714) ==> Fatal error etc. Again, this works with "texexec".
>
> I'm using recent minimals (Contextgarden) on Mac OS X Leopard and  
> ubuntu.
>
> If it's got something to do with my not knowing how to deal with fonts
> in Mark IV (which is the case), just ignore this message. But if the
> reasons are deeper, it might be of interest to you.

No, that's a combination of my lack of enthusiasm for writing new  
documentation and your not reading the documentation which is provided  
(greekmodule.pdf, p. 3) :-) In a nutshell: when mkiv was new, I  
experimented around with support for Babel-like transliteration in  
mkiv, but it turned out to be very cumbersome and time-consuming  
because it has to be implemented for every font, one by one. I'm  
unlikely to go to this length because this ASCII input was just a  
stopgap when TeX was unable to digest 16-bit input. I've done it for a  
few fonts (such as GreekGentiumAlt), for my private amusement, but it  
just isn't worth the effort. The novelty of luatex lies just here: it  
processes utf8 by default, that's why I recommend using utf8 when  
writing Greek in mkiv; it works well in mkii, and there's no reason  
not to use it. The only thing that may be troublesome is when you have  
lots of old files. I have a converter written in python here which  
works reasonably well. Hans implemented one in lua (see $TEXMF/scripts/ 
context/lua/mtx-babel.lua) which is even better, but doesn't appear to  
work with the current version of mkiv. But I have to look at the  
default font, this one should work even with Babel.

Thomas
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Re: greek

[Pavel Stupin]

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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:43:54 +0200
Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
____________________________________________________

:Hi,
:
:What are the preferred encodings for cyrillic and greek?
:

for cyrillic: koi8-r (on Unix-like systems) and cp1251.

Best,
Pavel V. Stupin.

Re: greek

[Thomas A.Schmitz]

Not sure if this what you were asking, but for polytonic Greek, Latex's 
babel encoding has become the de facto standard for TeX, see  
http://obelix.ee.duth.gr/~apostolo/Articles/GreekLaTeX.pdf
Best
Thomas

greek

[Hans Hagen]

Hi,

What are the preferred encodings for cyrillic and greek?

Hans




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