When I don't want quotes

When I don't want quotes

[Maurí­cio]

Hi,

I need to write ''''' in a text. However, since
it's a special tag in wiki language, I really
need it to be 5 times U0027, not ””’ (U201C and 
U2018). How can I do that?

Thanks,
Maurício

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Re: When I don't want quotes

[Peter Münster]

On Tue, Aug 12 2008, Maurí­cio wrote:

> I need to write ''''' in a text. However, since
> it's a special tag in wiki language, I really
> need it to be 5 times U0027, not ””’ (U201C and 
> U2018). How can I do that?

\starttext
With 0-kern: '\kern0pt'\kern0pt'\kern0pt'\kern0pt'

The easy way: \dorecurse5'
\stoptext

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Re: When I don't want quotes

[Maurí­cio]

>> I need to write ''''' in a text. However, since
>> it's a special tag in wiki language, I really
>> need it to be 5 times U0027, not ””’ (U201C and 
>> U2018). How can I do that?

> \starttext
> With 0-kern: '\kern0pt'\kern0pt'\kern0pt'\kern0pt'
> 
> The easy way: \dorecurse5'
> \stoptext
> 
> Cheers, Peter
> 

Neither of them work. ' (Unicode 0027) is still
converted to ’ (Unicode 2018).

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Re: When I don't want quotes

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

Hi Maurí­cio,

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:50:07 -0600, Maurí­cio <briqueabraque@yahoo.com>  
wrote:

>> \starttext
>> With 0-kern: '\kern0pt'\kern0pt'\kern0pt'\kern0pt'
>>
>> The easy way: \dorecurse5'
>> \stoptext
>>
>> Cheers, Peter
>>
>
> Neither of them work. ' (Unicode 0027) is still
> converted to ’ (Unicode 2018).

\starttext
\dorecurse5'{}
% or \dorecurse{5}{'{}}
\stoptext

works here. I copied the text from the pdf into a unicode editor and it  
gives 0027.

Best wishes
Idris

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Re: When I don't want quotes

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:50:07 -0600, Maurí­cio <briqueabraque@yahoo.com>  
wrote:

>>> I need to write ''''' in a text. However, since
>>> it's a special tag in wiki language, I really
>>> need it to be 5 times U0027, not ””’ (U201C and
>>> U2018). How can I do that?
>
>> \starttext
>> With 0-kern: '\kern0pt'\kern0pt'\kern0pt'\kern0pt'
>>
>> The easy way: \dorecurse5'
>> \stoptext
>>
>> Cheers, Peter
>>
>
> Neither of them work. ' (Unicode 0027) is still
> converted to ’ (Unicode 2018).

Even better:

\starttext
\defineactivecharacter  '  {\otfchar{quoteright}}

'''''
\stoptext

Tested here.

Best wishes
Idris

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Re: When I don't want quotes

[Maurí­cio]

 >>>> I need to write ''''' in a text. However,
 >>>> (...) I really need it to be 5 times U0027,
 >>>> not ””’ (U201C and U2018). (...)

 > \starttext
 > \dorecurse5'{}
 > % or \dorecurse{5}{'{}}
 > \stoptext

 > Even better:
 >
 > \starttext
 > \defineactivecharacter  '  {\otfchar{quoteright}}
 >
 > '''''
 > \stoptext
 >

Both also didn't work. Are you using Mark IV? I'm
using regular Context (the one that comes with
Ubuntu), maybe that's the difference.

Maurício

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Re: When I don't want quotes

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Aug 12, 2008, at 9:47 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي  
حامد wrote:

> \starttext
> \dorecurse5'{}
> % or \dorecurse{5}{'{}}
> \stoptext
>
> works here. I copied the text from the pdf into a unicode editor and  
> it
> gives 0027.

It doesn't work here either. What does work is:

\def\fiver{\dorecurse5{\quotesingle}}

\fiver

but, for reasons I can't understand, not in Latin Modern...

Thomas
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Re: When I don't want quotes

[Peter Münster]

On Tue, Aug 12 2008, Maurí­cio wrote:

> Both also didn't work. Are you using Mark IV? I'm
> using regular Context (the one that comes with
> Ubuntu), maybe that's the difference.

Indeed! I just tried MKII, and this is the result:

pdftotext test.pdf - | hexdump -C
00000000  31 0a 0a 57 69 74 68 20  30 2d 6b 65 72 6e 3a 20  |1..With 0-kern: |
00000010  e2 80 99 e2 80 99 e2 80  99 e2 80 99 e2 80 99 20  |............... |
00000020  54 68 65 20 65 61 73 79  20 77 61 79 3a 20 e2 80  |The easy way: ..|
00000030  99 e2 80 99 e2 80 99 e2  80 99 e2 80 99 0a 0a 0c  |................|
00000040

With MKIV you would get five 0x27.

(But for the eye it's the same.)

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Re: When I don't want quotes

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:12:04 -0600, Maurí­cio <briqueabraque@yahoo.com>  
wrote:

>  >>>> I need to write ''''' in a text. However,
>  >>>> (...) I really need it to be 5 times U0027,
>  >>>> not ””’ (U201C and U2018). (...)
>
>  > \starttext
>  > \dorecurse5'{}
>  > % or \dorecurse{5}{'{}}
>  > \stoptext
>
>  > Even better:
>  >
>  > \starttext
>  > \defineactivecharacter  '  {\otfchar{quoteright}}
>  >
>  > '''''
>  > \stoptext
>  >
>
> Both also didn't work. Are you using Mark IV? I'm
> using regular Context (the one that comes with
> Ubuntu), maybe that's the difference.

Indeed, I am using mkiv... But you should be able to use \char etc. to get  
the same effect.

pdftex is not working at the moment here -- see my message to the list --  
so I can't test this at the moment, but in pdftex there is

  \unicodecharacter{number}

so

  \unicodecharacter{27}

should work.

Another option is to use utf8 encoding and insert a zero-width space  
(200B) between the 0027's.

Finally: Did you try \dorecurse{5}{{'}}?

{'}{'} should break the dbl-quote just as {f}{i} breaks the fi ligature...

Best wishes
Idris

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Re: When I don't want quotes

[Hans Hagen]

Maurí­cio wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I need to write ''''' in a text. However, since
> it's a special tag in wiki language, I really
> need it to be 5 times U0027, not ””’ (U201C and 
> U2018). How can I do that?

this is the result from the trep feature; ok, i can provide a switch to 
turn it off (i might do that at some point for each feature, something 
\disablefeature[name]) but not now

two solutions:

(1) use tt (since there trep is off)

{\tt '''''}

(2) reload the bodyfont

\definefontfeature
   [default]
   [default]
   [trep=no]

\setupbodyfont[reset]






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Re: When I don't want quotes

[Peter Münster]

On Tue, Aug 12 2008, Hans Hagen wrote:

> two solutions:
> 
> (1) use tt (since there trep is off)
> 
> {\tt '''''}
> 
> (2) reload the bodyfont
> 
> \definefontfeature
>    [default]
>    [default]
>    [trep=no]
> 
> \setupbodyfont[reset]

This works only for MKIV.

The OP uses MKII, and his problem is, that MKII translates the ascii
character "'" (0x27) to "’" (0xE2 0x80 0x99).

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Re: When I don't want quotes

[Taco Hoekwater]

Peter Münster wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 12 2008, Hans Hagen wrote:
> 
>> two solutions:
>>
>> (1) use tt (since there trep is off)
>>
>> {\tt '''''}
> 
> The OP uses MKII, and his problem is, that MKII translates the ascii
> character "'" (0x27) to "’" (0xE2 0x80 0x99).

That leaves just \tt as option, really. None of the 'normal' encodings 
in mkii have a straight quote.

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: When I don't want quotes

[Hans Hagen]

Peter Münster wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 12 2008, Hans Hagen wrote:
> 
>> two solutions:
>>
>> (1) use tt (since there trep is off)
>>
>> {\tt '''''}
>>
>> (2) reload the bodyfont
>>
>> \definefontfeature
>>    [default]
>>    [default]
>>    [trep=no]
>>
>> \setupbodyfont[reset]
> 
> This works only for MKIV.
> 
> The OP uses MKII, and his problem is, that MKII translates the ascii
> character "'" (0x27) to "’" (0xE2 0x80 0x99).

just enable regime utf (since you enter ’ as a utf sequence)

\enableregime[utf] \starttext \strut ' ’ \stoptext





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Re: When I don't want quotes

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Aug 13, 2008, at 9:29 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

> That leaves just \tt as option, really. None of the 'normal' encodings
> in mkii have a straight quote.

texnansi does:

grep quotesingle /usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/context/base/enco- 
ans.tex

\definecharacter quotesingle      129

Thomas
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Re: When I don't want quotes

[Taco Hoekwater]

Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> On Aug 13, 2008, at 9:29 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> 
>> That leaves just \tt as option, really. None of the 'normal' encodings
>> in mkii have a straight quote.
> 
> texnansi does:
> 
> grep quotesingle /usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/tex/context/base/enco- 
> ans.tex
> 
> \definecharacter quotesingle      129

Right you are! (and that reminds me to fix the encoding tables at the
end of the new co-typography.pdf)

   \usetypescript [modern] [texnansi]
   \setupbodyfont[modern]
   \starttext
   \quotesingle \quotesingle
   \stoptext

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: When I don't want quotes

[Maurí­cio]

>>  >>>> I need to write ''''' in a text. However,
>>  >>>> (...) I really need it to be 5 times U0027,
>>  >>>> not ””’ (U201C and U2018). (...)
>>
>>  > (...)
>> Both also didn't work. (...)
> Indeed, I am using mkiv... But you should be able to use \char etc. to get  
> the same effect.
> 
> pdftex is not working at the moment here -- see my message to the list --  
> so I can't test this at the moment, but in pdftex there is
> 
>   \unicodecharacter{number} (...)
> 
> Another option is to use utf8 encoding and insert a zero-width space  
> (200B) between the 0027's. (...) should break the dbl-quote (...)

\unicodecharacter wasn't recognized. I do use uft8 
encoding, and nothing else (ever). But the problem 
is not to break the bls-quote, but avoiding ' 
transformed to ’.

Thanks for your help. I'm probably going to try 
something else, like writing this documentation on 
a web page.

Best,
Maurício

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Re: When I don't want quotes

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Maurí­cio wrote:
>>>  >>>> I need to write ''''' in a text. However,
>>>  >>>> (...) I really need it to be 5 times U0027,
>>>  >>>> not ""' (U201C and U2018). (...)
>>>
>>>  > (...)
>>> Both also didn't work. (...)
>> Indeed, I am using mkiv... But you should be able to use \char etc. to get
>> the same effect.
>>
>> pdftex is not working at the moment here -- see my message to the list --
>> so I can't test this at the moment, but in pdftex there is
>>
>>   \unicodecharacter{number} (...)
>>
>> Another option is to use utf8 encoding and insert a zero-width space
>> (200B) between the 0027's. (...) should break the dbl-quote (...)
>
> \unicodecharacter wasn't recognized. I do use uft8
> encoding, and nothing else (ever). But the problem
> is not to break the bls-quote, but avoiding '
> transformed to '.
>
> Thanks for your help. I'm probably going to try
> something else, like writing this documentation on
> a web page.

Cleaninng up my mailbox (so I'm not sure if you still need the answer) ...

Are you using pdfTeX or LuaTeX/XeTeX? In pdfTeX you need to switch the
font (or at least change the encoding to texnansi)

\usetypescript[modern][texnansi]
\setupbodyfont[modern,10pt]
\starttext
\dorecurse{5}{\quotesingle} % or \char129
\stoptext

In new engines you can switch off tlig. If you need that, please ask
(but again - you need to be aware that you either need to create a new
font instance or switch off conversion into apostrophe globally).

Mojca
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