From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/43430 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Taco Hoekwater Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Still confused about \setuplayout Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:15:54 +0200 Message-ID: <48B57DBA.1060004@elvenkind.com> References: <326847810808260929p19deaa6bndcfae286f7953115@mail.gmail.com> <326847810808270422qe5399f8ob5746ea486a8ef57@mail.gmail.com> <48B53A10.9010304@wxs.nl> <326847810808270536r3bf6d85fodee183effb326d6b@mail.gmail.com> <48B54B69.9020508@wxs.nl> <326847810808270631u732fb82eka4e0b52a0ecf6189@mail.gmail.com> <48B55869.1020204@wxs.nl> <326847810808270705s633a3586g4d356d08e43e782f@mail.gmail.com> <48B56DC6.90105@elvenkind.com> <326847810808270842v3f5f79fdld904c8fe9023927d@mail.gmail.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219853998 15202 80.91.229.12 (27 Aug 2008 16:19:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:19:58 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Wed Aug 27 18:20:48 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KYNjK-0000HX-51 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:18:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F621FDFF; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:17:45 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03809-05-23; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:16:50 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7885C1FD47; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:16:50 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4589F1FBDB for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:16:43 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02546-01-29 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:16:00 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.26]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A57271FD55 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:15:55 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [192.168.178.20] (boo.demon.nl [82.161.175.147]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7RGFtYS055766 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:15:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from taco@elvenkind.com) User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070305) In-Reply-To: <326847810808270842v3f5f79fdld904c8fe9023927d@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:43430 Archived-At: Alan Stone wrote: > Thanks Taco. > >> I am somewhat confused myself as to why this is generally considered to be > so confusing. > > What's most confusing are the: Ok, that helped make me understand. > - wiki layout explanation at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Layout This is indeed confusing (and probably based on excursion) > - \showsetups output The \setuplayout parameters are in column one, the query-ing macros are in column four. These are correct. > - excursion manual, table 33.2 page 74 That table is simply wrong, and probably the cause of all of the confusion (I never used excursion myself). I assume the goal of this table is that column 1 matches \setuplayout's column 1 output; it doesn't. > - main manual page 24 > - \setuplayout texshow page These two are correct (plus/minus a few small diffs due to later extensions). Conclusion: both excursion and the wiki need updating. Best wishes, Taco ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________