misbehaving \column

misbehaving \column

[Mojca Miklavec]

Hello,

The \column command does not want to obey me ... The text following
\column simply jumps to the next page.
This time I cannot think of any workaround :(
Well, in the worst case I can still insert a table.

\starttext
\section{first}
\dorecurse{80}{dummy }
\startcolumns
\externalfigure[dummy][width=\textwidth]
\input tufte
\column
\input tufte
\stopcolumns
\input tufte
\stoptext

Thanks a lot,
    Mojca
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Re: misbehaving \column

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Mojca Miklavec  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> The \column command does not want to obey me ... The text following
> \column simply jumps to the next page.

... or, sometimes (rather often), the content after column stays on
the same column and continues "infinitely" way below the bottom of the
page.

Mojca

> This time I cannot think of any workaround :(
> Well, in the worst case I can still insert a table.
>
> \starttext
> \section{first}
> \dorecurse{80}{dummy }
> \startcolumns
> \externalfigure[dummy][width=\textwidth]
> \input tufte
> \column
> \input tufte
> \stopcolumns
> \input tufte
> \stoptext
>
> Thanks a lot,
>    Mojca
>
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Re: misbehaving \column

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 03.10.2008 um 18:40 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:

> Hello,
>
> The \column command does not want to obey me ... The text following
> \column simply jumps to the next page.
> This time I cannot think of any workaround :(
> Well, in the worst case I can still insert a table.
>
> \starttext
> \section{first}
> \dorecurse{80}{dummy }
> \startcolumns
> \externalfigure[dummy][width=\textwidth]
> \input tufte
> \column

\column[preference] or \testcolumn[0]

> \input tufte
> \stopcolumns
> \input tufte
> \stoptext

Wolfgang

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Re: misbehaving \column

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
> Am 03.10.2008 um 18:40 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> The \column command does not want to obey me ... The text following
>> \column simply jumps to the next page.
>> This time I cannot think of any workaround :(
>> Well, in the worst case I can still insert a table.
>>
>> \starttext
>> \section{first}
>> \dorecurse{80}{dummy }
>> \startcolumns
>> \externalfigure[dummy][width=\textwidth]
>> \input tufte
>> \column
>
> \column[preference] or \testcolumn[0]

But I would need \column[verybigpreference] then. It doesn't make a
columnt break at all.

Mojca
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Re: misbehaving \column

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 03.10.2008 um 21:46 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:

> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>>
>> Am 03.10.2008 um 18:40 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> The \column command does not want to obey me ... The text following
>>> \column simply jumps to the next page.
>>> This time I cannot think of any workaround :(
>>> Well, in the worst case I can still insert a table.
>>>
>>> \starttext
>>> \section{first}
>>> \dorecurse{80}{dummy }
>>> \startcolumns
>>> \externalfigure[dummy][width=\textwidth]
>>> \input tufte
>>> \column
>>
>> \column[preference] or \testcolumn[0]
>
> But I would need \column[verybigpreference] then. It doesn't make a
> columnt break at all.

\installcolumnbreakhandler {MUL} \v!bigpreference
   {\vfill\penalty-9999}

Wolfgang

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Re: misbehaving \column

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
> Am 03.10.2008 um 21:46 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
>
>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>>>
>>> Am 03.10.2008 um 18:40 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> The \column command does not want to obey me ... The text following
>>>> \column simply jumps to the next page.
>>>> This time I cannot think of any workaround :(
>>>> Well, in the worst case I can still insert a table.
>>>>
>>>> \starttext
>>>> \section{first}
>>>> \dorecurse{80}{dummy }
>>>> \startcolumns
>>>> \externalfigure[dummy][width=\textwidth]
>>>> \input tufte
>>>> \column
>>>
>>> \column[preference] or \testcolumn[0]
>>
>> But I would need \column[verybigpreference] then. It doesn't make a
>> columnt break at all.
>
> \installcolumnbreakhandler {MUL} \v!bigpreference
>   {\vfill\penalty-9999}

\unprotect
\installcolumnbreakhandler {MUL} \v!bigpreference
  {\vfill\penalty-9999}
\protect

\startcolumns ... \column[bigpreference] ... \stopcolumns}

Still no break.

Hans suggested me to use columnsets, but those are spinning as well.

\definecolumnset[two][n=2]
\starttext

\startcolumnset[two]
\input tufte
\column
\placefigure{none}
{\rotate[rotation=15]{\externalfigure[dummy][width=.8\textwidth]}}
\stopcolumnset

\startcolumnset[two]
\placefigure{none}
{\rotate[rotation=-10]{\externalfigure[dummy][width=.8\textwidth]}}
\column
\input tufte
\stopcolumnset

\stoptext

Every columnset starts a new page. Maybe I need to try simplecolumns
now :) Or well ... \bTABLE ... \eTABLE.

One more question: how can I say "please keep this content together"
when typsetting in columns on grid? \vbox behaves a bit weird, but
most important: it does not align baselines properly.

Mojca
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Re: misbehaving \column

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 03.10.2008 um 23:57 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:

> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>>
>> Am 03.10.2008 um 21:46 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Am 03.10.2008 um 18:40 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> The \column command does not want to obey me ... The text  
>>>>> following
>>>>> \column simply jumps to the next page.
>>>>> This time I cannot think of any workaround :(
>>>>> Well, in the worst case I can still insert a table.
>>>>>
>>>>> \starttext
>>>>> \section{first}
>>>>> \dorecurse{80}{dummy }
>>>>> \startcolumns
>>>>> \externalfigure[dummy][width=\textwidth]
>>>>> \input tufte
>>>>> \column
>>>>
>>>> \column[preference] or \testcolumn[0]
>>>
>>> But I would need \column[verybigpreference] then. It doesn't make a
>>> columnt break at all.
>>
>> \installcolumnbreakhandler {MUL} \v!bigpreference
>>  {\vfill\penalty-9999}
>
> \unprotect
> \installcolumnbreakhandler {MUL} \v!bigpreference
>  {\vfill\penalty-9999}
> \protect
>
> \startcolumns ... \column[bigpreference] ... \stopcolumns}
>
> Still no break.
>
> Hans suggested me to use columnsets, but those are spinning as well.
>
> \definecolumnset[two][n=2]
> \starttext
>
> \startcolumnset[two]
> \input tufte
> \column
> \placefigure{none}
> {\rotate[rotation=15]{\externalfigure[dummy][width=.8\textwidth]}}
> \stopcolumnset
>
> \startcolumnset[two]
> \placefigure{none}
> {\rotate[rotation=-10]{\externalfigure[dummy][width=.8\textwidth]}}
> \column
> \input tufte
> \stopcolumnset
>
> \stoptext
>
> Every columnset starts a new page. Maybe I need to try simplecolumns
> now :) Or well ... \bTABLE ... \eTABLE.
>
> One more question: how can I say "please keep this content together"
> when typsetting in columns on grid? \vbox behaves a bit weird, but
> most important: it does not align baselines properly.

\interlinepenalty=10000

You could also redefine to prohibit a pagebreak/columnbreak between
paragraphs but these things should be done in a local group.

Wolfgang



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Re: misbehaving \column

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 12:54 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
>> One more question: how can I say "please keep this content together"
>> when typsetting in columns on grid? \vbox behaves a bit weird, but
>> most important: it does not align baselines properly.
>
> \interlinepenalty=10000

So like this:
\long\def\startpleasekeepmetogether#1\stoppleasekeepmetogether
    {\hereshouldprobablybesomepenaltyfixtoallowcolumnbreak
     \bgroup\interlinepenalty=10000#1\egroup}
?

I alweays fear using such constructs since I have a feeling that
ConTeXt has something better to offer, but colums seem a bit
problematic anyway.

> You could also redefine to prohibit a pagebreak/columnbreak between
> paragraphs but these things should be done in a local group.

It needs to be done locally anyway. I just need to keep some portions together.

Mojca

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Re: misbehaving \column

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 04.10.2008 um 01:51 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:

> On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 12:54 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>>
>>> One more question: how can I say "please keep this content together"
>>> when typsetting in columns on grid? \vbox behaves a bit weird, but
>>> most important: it does not align baselines properly.
>>
>> \interlinepenalty=10000
>
> So like this:
> \long\def\startpleasekeepmetogether#1\stoppleasekeepmetogether
>    {\hereshouldprobablybesomepenaltyfixtoallowcolumnbreak
>     \bgroup\interlinepenalty=10000#1\egroup}
> ?
>
> I alweays fear using such constructs since I have a feeling that
> ConTeXt has something better to offer, but colums seem a bit
> problematic anyway.

\definestartstop
   [pleasekeepmetogether]
   [commands=\setups{pleasekeepmetogether}]

\startsetups pleasekeepmetogether

   %\interlinepenalty\plustenthousand
   \setpenalties\interlinepenalties{100}\maxdimen

\stopsetups

\showframe

\starttext

\dorecurse{9}{\input ward\par}

\startpleasekeepmetogether
\input tufte\par
\stoppleasekeepmetogether

\dorecurse{3}{\input ward\par}

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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Re: misbehaving \column

[luigi scarso]

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>
>
> Every columnset starts a new page. Maybe I need to try simplecolumns
> now :) Or well ... \bTABLE ... \eTABLE.
>
Aren't columnset powerful enought ?
>From the manual
\usemodules[visual]
%% \definecolumnset[example][n=4]
%% \starttext
%% \startbuffer
%% \fakewords{100}{200}
%% \placefigure{}{\externalfigure[placeholder][width=\One]}
%% \fakewords{100}{200}
%% \placefigure{}{\externalfigure[placeholder][width=\Two]}
%% \fakewords{100}{200}
%% \stopbuffer
%% \startcolumnset[example]
%%    \definecolumnsethsize{example}{1}{1}\One
%%    \definecolumnsethsize{example}{1}{2}\Two
%%    \dorecurse{5}{\getbuffer}
%%    \dorecurse{10}{\fakewords{100}{200}\par}
%% \stopcolumnset
%% \stoptext


\definecolumnset[example][n=4]
\starttext
\startbuffer
\placefigure[tbrl]    {tblr}{\externalfigure[fake][width=\One, lines=5]}
\placefigure[fxtb:2*4]{fxtb}{\externalfigure[fake][width=\Two, lines=5]}
\placefigure[btlr]    {btlr}{\externalfigure[fake][width=\Two, lines=5]}
\placefigure[btlr]    {btlr}{\externalfigure[fake][width=\Three,lines=5]}
\dorecurse{5}{\fakewords{100}{200}\par}
\stopbuffer
\startcolumnset[example]
   \definecolumnsethsize{example}{1}{1}\One
   \definecolumnsethsize{example}{1}{2}\Two
   \definecolumnsethsize{example}{1}{3}\Three
   \dorecurse{4}{\getbuffer}
\stopcolumnset
\stoptext





%% \definecolumnset[example][n=4]
%% \starttext
%% \startcolumnset[example]
%% \placefigure[btlr]{brlr}{\externalfigure[fake][width=\textwidth,lines=3]}
%% \placefigure[btlr]{brlr}{\externalfigure[fake][width=\textwidth,lines=3]}
%% \placefigure[btrl]{btrl}{\externalfigure[fake][width=\textwidth,lines=3]}
%% \placefigure[btrl]{btrl}{\externalfigure[fake][width=\textwidth,lines=3]}
%% \placefigure[tblr]{tblr}{\externalfigure[fake][width=\textwidth,lines=3]}
%% \placefigure[tblr]{tblr}{\externalfigure[fake][width=\textwidth,lines=3]}
%% \placefigure[tbrl]{tbrl}{\externalfigure[fake][width=\textwidth,lines=3]}
%% \placefigure[tbrl]{tbrl}{\externalfigure[fake][width=\textwidth,lines=3]}
%% \placefigure[lrbt]{lrbt}{\externalfigure[fake][width=\textwidth,lines=3]}
%% \placefigure[lrbt]{lrbt}{\externalfigure[fake][width=\textwidth,lines=3]}
%% \placefigure[lrtb]{lrtb}{\externalfigure[fake][width=\textwidth,lines=3]}
%% \placefigure[lrtb]{lrtb}{\externalfigure[fake][width=\textwidth,lines=3]}
%% \placefigure[rlbt]{rlbt}{\externalfigure[fake][width=\textwidth,lines=3]}
%% \placefigure[rlbt]{rlbt}{\externalfigure[fake][width=\textwidth,lines=3]}
%% \placefigure[rltb]{rltb}{\externalfigure[fake][width=\textwidth,lines=3]}
%% \placefigure[rltb]{rltb}{\externalfigure[fake][width=\textwidth,lines=3]}
%% \dorecurse{10}{\fakewords{50}{100}\par}
%% \stopcolumnset
%% \stoptext




>
> One more question: how can I say "please keep this content together"
> when typsetting in columns on grid? \vbox behaves a bit weird, but
> most important: it does not align baselines properly.
>
> Mojca
>
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Re: misbehaving \column

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 2008-10-03 um 18:40 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:

> The \column command does not want to obey me ... The text following
> \column simply jumps to the next page.
> This time I cannot think of any workaround :(
> Well, in the worst case I can still insert a table.
>
> \starttext
> \section{first}
> \dorecurse{80}{dummy }
> \startcolumns
> \externalfigure[dummy][width=\textwidth]
> \input tufte
> \column
> \input tufte
> \stopcolumns
> \input tufte
> \stoptext


I'm complaining since about 2002 that \column does nothing (at least  
not reliably) within \startcolums ... \stopcolumns.

Finally I resorted to column sets, that works for me.


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Re: misbehaving \column

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 10:24 AM, luigi scarso wrote:
>>
>> Every columnset starts a new page. Maybe I need to try simplecolumns
>> now :) Or well ... \bTABLE ... \eTABLE.
>
> Aren't columnset powerful enought ?
> From the manual

Probably they are, I just need to swap contents between more columns
(content in first column, image in the second one, content in second
column, image in the first one...), but I can treat text as figure and
place it on the right.

"normal" columns permit stopping and starting "new columns" in the
middle of the page, while columnsets apparently don't.

It's just a bit confusing when "bugs"->"strategy change" start making
the work more fun when you think that you are almost done :) :) :)

["normal" columns work in 95% of the document, so I'm not going to
replace that part now just to hit another bug :) But I'll know for the
next time.]

Mojca
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Re: misbehaving \column

[Taco Hoekwater]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 10:24 AM, luigi scarso wrote:
>>> Every columnset starts a new page. Maybe I need to try simplecolumns
>>> now :) Or well ... \bTABLE ... \eTABLE.
>> Aren't columnset powerful enought ?
>> From the manual
> 
> Probably they are, I just need to swap contents between more columns
> (content in first column, image in the second one, content in second
> column, image in the first one...), but I can treat text as figure and
> place it on the right.
> 
> "normal" columns permit stopping and starting "new columns" in the
> middle of the page, while columnsets apparently don't.

The "simplecolumns" are perhaps the best idea. \column has been broken
since before the turn of the century. :-(

Best wishes,
Taco


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Re: misbehaving \column

[Hans Hagen]

Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> 
> Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>> On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 10:24 AM, luigi scarso wrote:
>>>> Every columnset starts a new page. Maybe I need to try simplecolumns
>>>> now :) Or well ... \bTABLE ... \eTABLE.
>>> Aren't columnset powerful enought ?
>>> From the manual
>> Probably they are, I just need to swap contents between more columns
>> (content in first column, image in the second one, content in second
>> column, image in the first one...), but I can treat text as figure and
>> place it on the right.
>>
>> "normal" columns permit stopping and starting "new columns" in the
>> middle of the page, while columnsets apparently don't.
> 
> The "simplecolumns" are perhaps the best idea. \column has been broken
> since before the turn of the century. :-(

because ther eis no native column mechanism, \column comes in some 
variants and it depends on the circumstances what works best (esp 
related to grids and such)

Hans

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