muse, pandoc and context

muse, pandoc and context

[Jörg Hagmann]

Dear list members,

Despite using a text editor (emacs) and context almost exclusively, I 
need a way to communicate with other members of the institute. I'm 
evaluating two possibilities:
1. Writing in markdown and using pandoc for conversion to either context 
or something openable by a word processor.
2. Writing in emacs muse and publishing to -- see above.

I would like to know the following:
- Has anybody done the same and come to a conclusion? Reasons?
- Is my impression correct that with muse one has fewer possibilities 
such as sub/superscripts?

I'm aware of the threads in the archive, but would like to have an 
updated, concise opinion.

Slightly off topic, but thanks for your answers, Jörg
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Re: muse, pandoc and context

[Jean Magnan de Bornier]

Le 02 décembre à 16:02:28 Jörg Hagmann <joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch> écrit notamment:

| Dear list members,
>
| Despite using a text editor (emacs) and context almost exclusively, I 
| need a way to communicate with other members of the institute. I'm 
| evaluating two possibilities:
| 1. Writing in markdown and using pandoc for conversion to either context 
| or something openable by a word processor.
| 2. Writing in emacs muse and publishing to -- see above.
>
| I would like to know the following:
| - Has anybody done the same and come to a conclusion? Reasons?
| - Is my impression correct that with muse one has fewer possibilities 
| such as sub/superscripts?
>
| I'm aware of the threads in the archive, but would like to have an 
| updated, concise opinion.

Does it mean you are aware of the context publishing style in muse? If so,
did you encounter any problem?

Otherwise, have a look at:

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_and_emacs-muse

and (in french):

http://jm.bornier.free.fr/muse/muse.html

cheers,
-- 
Jean
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Re: muse, pandoc and context

[Jörg Hagmann]

Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote:
> Does it mean you are aware of the context publishing style in muse? If so,
> did you encounter any problem?
>   
Yes, I'm aware of it and no, no problems so far.
But before committing myself to either markdown/pandoc or muse, I would 
like to have opinions. For example: subscripts would be "CO~2~", 
superscripts "Ca^2+^" in markdown, what would you write in muse? Inclose 
it between math tags? Wouldn't be convenient.
> and (in french):
>
> http://jm.bornier.free.fr/muse/muse.html
>   
Thanks, I didn't know this one.

Cheers, Jörg
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Re: muse, pandoc and context

[Jean Magnan de Bornier]

Le 02 décembre à 17:44:02 Jörg Hagmann <joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch> écrit notamment:

| Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote:
| > Does it mean you are aware of the context publishing style in muse? If so,
| > did you encounter any problem?
| >   
| Yes, I'm aware of it and no, no problems so far.
| But before committing myself to either markdown/pandoc or muse, I would 
| like to have opinions. For example: subscripts would be "CO~2~", 
| superscripts "Ca^2+^" in markdown, what would you write in muse? Inclose 
| it between math tags? Wouldn't be convenient.

Well this is chemical notation I guess? On the muse list I never saw
anything about it, I believe something exists in context. Some interface
might probably be written but I don't believe it exists now.

Cheers,
-- 
Jean
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Re: muse, pandoc and context

[Gour]

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>>>>> "Jörg" == Jörg Hagmann <joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch> writes:

Hello,

Jörg> Dear list members, 

Jörg> Despite using a text editor (emacs) and context almost
Jörg> exclusively, I need a way to communicate with other members of the
Jörg> institute. 

I was in the similar boat - using Emacs with muse markup but wanting to
have something which is more 'standard'- it's not that everyone is using
Emacs (yet) :-)

Jörg> I'm evaluating two possibilities: 1. Writing in markdown and using
Jörg> pandoc for conversion to either context or something openable by a
Jörg> word processor.  

I tried with markdown and gave it up - it's too limiting for my writing
needs.

Jörg> I would like to know the following: - Has anybody done the same
Jörg> and come to a conclusion? Reasons?  - Is my impression correct
Jörg> that with muse one has fewer possibilities such as
Jörg> sub/superscripts?

I've settled on reST which is richer markup (see
e.g. http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/ref/rst/roles.html#subscript)
which is more standard than 'muse' and it enables easy conversion to
*.html (e.g. sphinx produces nice output from *.reST), and there is even
direct conversion to pdf with rst2pdf. Of course, you can enjoy rst-mode
as well.

In regard to the ConTeXt side of the equation, I hope that Pandoc will
get full parser for reST and then it will be possible to use it produce
nice ConTeXt as well (see Pandoc' archive) or we should write and/or ask
(I did) for ConTeXt back-end in docutils ;)


Sincerely,
Gour

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Re: muse, pandoc and context

[Jörg Hagmann]

Hi Jean and Gour,

Thanks for the comments. I would prefer muse, but 
superscripts/subscripts are extremely common in biology, not just for 
chemical formula, and maybe there are more things missing I didn't come 
across so far. On the other hand, tables didn't work well in markdown 
--> pandoc --> context. If there is no way from reST to context, it's no 
use to me.
Conclusion: there seems to be no good solution...

Cheers, Jörg

Gour wrote:
>>>>>> "Jörg" == Jörg Hagmann <joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch> writes:
>>>>>>             
>
> Hello,
>
> Jörg> Dear list members, 
>
> Jörg> Despite using a text editor (emacs) and context almost
> Jörg> exclusively, I need a way to communicate with other members of the
> Jörg> institute. 
>
> I was in the similar boat - using Emacs with muse markup but wanting to
> have something which is more 'standard'- it's not that everyone is using
> Emacs (yet) :-)
>
> Jörg> I'm evaluating two possibilities: 1. Writing in markdown and using
> Jörg> pandoc for conversion to either context or something openable by a
> Jörg> word processor.  
>
> I tried with markdown and gave it up - it's too limiting for my writing
> needs.
>
> Jörg> I would like to know the following: - Has anybody done the same
> Jörg> and come to a conclusion? Reasons?  - Is my impression correct
> Jörg> that with muse one has fewer possibilities such as
> Jörg> sub/superscripts?
>
> I've settled on reST which is richer markup (see
> e.g. http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/ref/rst/roles.html#subscript)
> which is more standard than 'muse' and it enables easy conversion to
> *.html (e.g. sphinx produces nice output from *.reST), and there is even
> direct conversion to pdf with rst2pdf. Of course, you can enjoy rst-mode
> as well.
>
> In regard to the ConTeXt side of the equation, I hope that Pandoc will
> get full parser for reST and then it will be possible to use it produce
> nice ConTeXt as well (see Pandoc' archive) or we should write and/or ask
> (I did) for ConTeXt back-end in docutils ;)
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Gour
>   
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