setupdelimitedtext: linespacing in final quoted paragraph

setupdelimitedtext: linespacing in final quoted paragraph

[Sanjoy Mahajan]

What's the right way to workaround the following interaction between
\setupdelimitedtext and TeX's paragraph building rules?  In the example
below, the last paragraph from knuth.tex has the linespacing of the
regular text set in 12pt, rather than the intended, narrower linespacing
of 8pt text.

Uncommenting the negligible vertical space (\vskip1sp) fixes the
discrepancy.  Is it the best workaround?  I also tried setting
after={\vskip1sp} in the \setupdelimitedtext, but it had no effect.

I'm using 2008.10.31, MkII.  Thanks for any suggestions, which I'll
wikify if the solution is interesting to more than just me.

\setupdelimitedtext[blockquote][style={\switchtobodyfont[8pt]}]

\starttext
\startblockquote
\input knuth
%\vskip1sp
\stopblockquote
\input tufte

\stoptext


-Sanjoy
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Re: setupdelimitedtext: linespacing in final quoted paragraph

[Taco Hoekwater]

Sanjoy Mahajan wrote:
> What's the right way to workaround the following interaction between
> \setupdelimitedtext and TeX's paragraph building rules? 

Adding a newline, I think.

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: setupdelimitedtext: linespacing in final quoted paragraph

[Sanjoy Mahajan]

Thanks for the responses.  I've wikified a short example, putting it at
end of this page:

<http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Long_quotations_and_extracts>

Feel free to move or improve.

Will LuaTeX's paragraph builder have the same restriction -- perhaps for
compatability -- that linespacing be constant throughout the paragraph?

-Sanjoy

`Until lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always
 glorify the hunters.'  --African Proverb
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Re: setupdelimitedtext: linespacing in final quoted paragraph

[Taco Hoekwater]

Sanjoy Mahajan wrote:
> Thanks for the responses.  I've wikified a short example, putting it at
> end of this page:
> 
> <http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Long_quotations_and_extracts>
> 
> Feel free to move or improve.
> 
> Will LuaTeX's paragraph builder have the same restriction -- perhaps for
> compatability -- that linespacing be constant throughout the paragraph?

Maybe not (I am considering a mode where parameter changes are saved in
nodes), but even so, that does not remove the need to insert \par's
inbetween paragraphs.

Cheers,
Taco
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Re: setupdelimitedtext: linespacing in final quoted paragraph

[Sanjoy Mahajan]

Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> wrote:

> ...that does not remove the need to insert \par's in between
> paragraphs.

Right, although I think that the \par, or blank line, should go after
the \stopdelimitedtext in some cases.  I was imagining (and using)
quotations within a single larger paragraph, for example:

  Blah, blah, blah says:

     Ideas A, B and C.

  But those ideas are nonsense.

where the "Ideas A, B, and C." are indeed a paragraph but internal to
the single surrounding paragraph, like a displayed equation would be.

Then it could be typeset:

  Blah, blah, blah says:
  \startblockquote
       Ideas A, B and C.
  \stopblockquote
  But those ideas are nonsense.

  On to the next paragraph...

Rather, it could be typeset that way if the TeX paragraph builder didn't
have the constant linespacing restriction (or maybe with \vadjust).

-Sanjoy

`Until lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always
 glorify the hunters.'  --African Proverb
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Re: setupdelimitedtext: linespacing in final quoted paragraph

[Peter Rolf]

Sanjoy Mahajan schrieb:
> What's the right way to workaround the following interaction between
> \setupdelimitedtext and TeX's paragraph building rules?  In the example
> below, the last paragraph from knuth.tex has the linespacing of the
> regular text set in 12pt, rather than the intended, narrower linespacing
> of 8pt text.
> 
> Uncommenting the negligible vertical space (\vskip1sp) fixes the
> discrepancy.  Is it the best workaround?  I also tried setting
> after={\vskip1sp} in the \setupdelimitedtext, but it had no effect.
> 
> I'm using 2008.10.31, MkII.  Thanks for any suggestions, which I'll
> wikify if the solution is interesting to more than just me.
> 
> \setupdelimitedtext[blockquote][style={\switchtobodyfont[8pt]}]
> 
> \starttext
> \startblockquote
> \input knuth

add a \par or an empty single line to make the paragraph builder happy..
the problem only occurs, when you insert the text from an external file.


Best wishes, Peter

> %\vskip1sp
> \stopblockquote
> \input tufte
> 
> \stoptext
> 
> 
> -Sanjoy
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Re: setupdelimitedtext: linespacing in final quoted paragraph

[Peter Rolf]

Peter Rolf schrieb:
> Sanjoy Mahajan schrieb:
>> What's the right way to workaround the following interaction between
>> \setupdelimitedtext and TeX's paragraph building rules?  In the example
>> below, the last paragraph from knuth.tex has the linespacing of the
>> regular text set in 12pt, rather than the intended, narrower linespacing
>> of 8pt text.
>>
>> Uncommenting the negligible vertical space (\vskip1sp) fixes the
>> discrepancy.  Is it the best workaround?  I also tried setting
>> after={\vskip1sp} in the \setupdelimitedtext, but it had no effect.
>>
>> I'm using 2008.10.31, MkII.  Thanks for any suggestions, which I'll
>> wikify if the solution is interesting to more than just me.
>>
>> \setupdelimitedtext[blockquote][style={\switchtobodyfont[8pt]}]
>>
>> \starttext
>> \startblockquote
>> \input knuth
> 
> add a \par or an empty single line to make the paragraph builder happy..
> the problem only occurs, when you insert the text from an external file.
              ^^^^
             *wrong*

just had an example where the text was embedded...

> 
> 
> Best wishes, Peter
> 
>> %\vskip1sp
>> \stopblockquote
>> \input tufte
>>
>> \stoptext
>>
>>
>> -Sanjoy
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>>
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>>
> 
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