From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/47538 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: new beta Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:30:36 +0100 Message-ID: <499DC16C.40503@wxs.nl> References: <499B1E32.6070505@wxs.nl> <499D2EC4.5090305@wxs.nl> <68bfdc900902190536s17775050r4064149a5547608c@mail.gmail.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1235075557 11067 80.91.229.12 (19 Feb 2009 20:32:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:32:37 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Thu Feb 19 21:33:51 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LaFag-00051t-Fb for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:33:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF4A1FB29; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:32:27 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10716-04; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:31:19 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD451FADB; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:31:19 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667351FADB for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:31:16 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17837-01-9 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:30:38 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from filter4-ams.mf.surf.net (filter4-ams.mf.surf.net [192.87.102.72]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18A51FA4C for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:30:38 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail.pragma-ade.net (dsl-083-247-100-017.solcon.nl [83.247.100.17]) by filter4-ams.mf.surf.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n1JKUbsw010864 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:30:37 +0100 Original-Received: from [10.100.1.107] (unverified [10.100.1.107]) by controller-1 (SurgeMail 3.9e) with ESMTP id 12706-1840426 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:30:37 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) In-Reply-To: <68bfdc900902190536s17775050r4064149a5547608c@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 10.100.1.107 X-Authenticated-User: hagen@controller-1 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=83.247.100.17; country=NL; region=16; city=Dronten; latitude=52.5333; longitude=5.7167; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=52.5333,5.7167&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 182598736 - ba9d523be3d8 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.87.102.72 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:47538 Archived-At: Yue Wang wrote: > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Dohyun Kim wrote: >> 2009/2/19 Hans Hagen : >>> Dohyun Kim wrote: >>> >>>> I have tested Chinese translation of Universal Declaration of Human Rights >>>> available at http://www.un.org/chinese/hr/issue/udhr.htm . >>> can you send me a zip with your test file so that we test the same? >>> >> Attached. Nothing special; just copy and pasted from the web site. >> >> On the other hand, as Yanrui's sample seems to be much better than mine, >> I made an illustration of Japanese typesetting rule on his sample: >> http://people.ktug.or.kr/~nomos/mine/japanesetypesetting.png . >> I guess that Chinese typesetting practice is not much different from this one. > > Maybe it is different (I have no idea about Japanese typesetting, I > can only speak Chinese, English, and Korean). > - There are no "halfwidth punctuation" in most Chinese fonts. All the > glyphs in those fonts are of same width. Only a small portion of > Chinese fonts (like Adobe's OpenType fonts) contain these glyphs in > certain features. > - halfwidth glyph+0.5em minus0.5em ( = 1em) is not right, the > punctuation should be compressed. some combinations like ：" should > also be compressed. The problem is in the 'ascii' opening/closing and punctiation. In Korean proper latin fonts are mixed with korean (fixed width) fonts, whil ein chinese (i suppose) the chinese punctuation is to be used. It's no problem to compensate for hw there. Hoewever, what to do with the non-chinese punctionation. Ok, we can mess around with the width but isn't it better then to use the right chinese characters in the first place? 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