Re: Does a "half-space" or small space exist in ConTeXt?

Re: Does a "half-space" or small space exist in ConTeXt?

[Robert Blackstone]

On 8 Mar 2015, at 13:04 , Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote

>> 12:24 schrieb Robert Blackstone <blackstone.robert@gmail.com>:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I would like to use something like a "half-space" or small space in a situation where neither no space, nor a normal space is ideal.
> 
> You can use \thinspace or \, which is the short form of \thinspace.
> 
> BTW. The context version of \medskip is \blank[medium].

Thanks Wolfgang.

“\thinspace” works perfectly for my purpose.

Oddly enough, \, gives no comma and a normal space, \. gives no period and no space with mkiv, and a superscript period with mkii.
Could these forms for \thinspace perhaps be obsolete? 

Best regards, 
Robert Blackstone


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Re: Does a "half-space" or small space exist in ConTeXt?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

> Am 08.03.2015 um 13:55 schrieb Robert Blackstone <blackstone.robert@gmail.com>:
> 
> 
> On 8 Mar 2015, at 13:04 , Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote
> 
>>> 12:24 schrieb Robert Blackstone <blackstone.robert@gmail.com>:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I would like to use something like a "half-space" or small space in a situation where neither no space, nor a normal space is ideal.
>> 
>> You can use \thinspace or \, which is the short form of \thinspace.
>> 
>> BTW. The context version of \medskip is \blank[medium].
> 
> Thanks Wolfgang.
> 
> “\thinspace” works perfectly for my purpose.
> 
> Oddly enough, \, gives no comma and a normal space, \. gives no period and no space with mkiv, and a superscript period with mkii.
> Could these forms for \thinspace perhaps be obsolete? 


I have no problem to use \, as a space command but when you use don’t put a space between the command and the following character.

The \. command is used to create a accented character but it shouldn’t be needed when you have a keyword which allows you to write the character.

\starttext

a\,b\par
a\thinspace b

\blank[line]

\.{c}

\stoptext

Wolfgang
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Re: Does a "half-space" or small space exist in ConTeXt?

[Robert Blackstone]

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On 8 Mar 2015, at 23:17 , Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد  wrote
> 
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 05:24:51 -0600, Robert Blackstone  
<blackstone.robert@gmail.com> wrote

>> I would like to use something like a "half-space" or small space in

> All the suggestions you have received are good, but ultimately you might  
> want to look at the spaces that Unicode provides, for example 202F. Not  
> sure sure which Unicode space character best suits your needs, but once  
> you have determined that, you can map it to one of the commands suggested  
> by others, or even define it to the exact width you want. For example, I  
> use imacron (U+012B) so much that it clashes with other characters. So I  
> map it to an alternate version that has a thinner macron:
> 
> \defineactivecharacter ī {\fontchar{imacron.alt}}
> 
> So what you want is a unicode space character that you can enter in your  
> editor, then define it in ConTeXt to exactly what you want.

and Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote

> fyi: the list that Wolfgang shows with verbose space names ... these are 
> in fact unicode characters.

Thanks to both of you for pointing this out to me. 
Up till now I have never used unicode characters the way Idris proposes and I’m not sure that I already have the skills to make it work.  
For the moment I’m quite happy with the many possibilities that were given by Wolfgang and Hans.

Best regards,
Robert


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Re: Does a "half-space" or small space exist in ConTeXt?

[Robert Blackstone]

On 8 Mar 2015, at 14:12 ,  Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote
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>> Am 08.03.2015 um 13:55 schrieb Robert Blackstone <blackstone.robert@gmail.com>:
>> 
>> 
>> On 8 Mar 2015, at 13:04 , Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote
>> 
>>>> 12:24 schrieb Robert Blackstone <blackstone.robert@gmail.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I would like to use something like a "half-space" or small space in a situation where neither no space, nor a normal space is ideal.
>>> 
>>> You can use \thinspace or \, which is the short form of \thinspace.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Oddly enough, \, gives no comma and a normal space, \. gives no period and no space with mkiv, and a superscript period with mkii.
>> Could these forms for \thinspace perhaps be obsolete? 
> 
> 
> I have no problem to use \, as a space command but when you use don’t put a space between the command and the following character.


My mistake: I forgot to add a comma after \, !
 \,, indeed works beautifully for my purpose. 
And thanks for the list of possibilities for spaces of various sizes.

Best regards,

Robert Blackstone


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Re: Does a "half-space" or small space exist in ConTeXt?

[Hans Hagen]

On 3/8/2015 2:13 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote:
> Hi Robert,
>
> All the suggestions you have received are good, but ultimately you might
> want to look at the spaces that Unicode provides, for example 202F. Not
> sure sure which Unicode space character best suits your needs, but once
> you have determined that, you can map it to one of the commands
> suggested by others, or even define it to the exact width you want. For
> example, I use imacron (U+012B) so much that it clashes with other
> characters. So I map it to an alternate version that has a thinner macron:
>
> \defineactivecharacter ī {\fontchar{imacron.alt}}
>
> So what you want is a unicode space character that you can enter in your
> editor, then define it in ConTeXt to exactly what you want.

fyi: the list that Wolfgang shows with verbose space names ... these are 
in fact unicode characters.

Hans





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Re: Does a "half-space" or small space exist in ConTeXt?

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

Hi Robert,

All the suggestions you have received are good, but ultimately you might  
want to look at the spaces that Unicode provides, for example 202F. Not  
sure sure which Unicode space character best suits your needs, but once  
you have determined that, you can map it to one of the commands suggested  
by others, or even define it to the exact width you want. For example, I  
use imacron (U+012B) so much that it clashes with other characters. So I  
map it to an alternate version that has a thinner macron:

\defineactivecharacter ī {\fontchar{imacron.alt}}

So what you want is a unicode space character that you can enter in your  
editor, then define it in ConTeXt to exactly what you want.

Best wishes
Idris

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 05:24:51 -0600, Robert Blackstone  
<blackstone.robert@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I would like to use something like a "half-space" or small space in a  
> situation where neither no space, nor a normal space is ideal.
> See the ME:
> ---------------------------------
> \usemodule[simplefonts]
> \setmainfont[Verdana]
> \setupbodyfont[10pt]
> \starttext
> On the third beat a 6th between bass and tenor, {\em \lohi{B}{g}}, moves  
> to the octave {\em \lohi{A}{a} .
> \medskip
> On the third beat a 6th between bass and tenor, {\em \lohi{B}{g}} ,  
> moves to the octave {\em \lohi{A}{a}} .
> \stoptext
> --------------------------------
>
> Without a space after {\em \lohi{B}{g}}, the normal situation, the comma  
> is too close to the B, (and the period too close to the A), suggesting  
> some superscript.
> A normal space does not look nice (but if necessary I could live with it)
>
> Is there an intermediate size for a space somehow?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Bets regards,
> Robert Blackstone
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Re: Does a "half-space" or small space exist in ConTeXt?

[Jörg Weger]

Thank you very much for that list.

Greetings Jörg


On 08.03.2015 13:58, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
>> Am 08.03.2015 um 13:45 schrieb Jörg Weger <joerg73.muc@googlemail.com>:
>>
>>> You can use \thinspace or \, which is the short form of \thinspace.
>>>
>>
>> But \thinspace aka \, is a non-breaking space, isn’t it?
>>
>> Is there a way to let it break a line if needed in certain circumstances or is there something else like a “non-non-breaking thinspace”?
>
>
> Are these enough?
>
> \starttext %\hsize\zeropoint
> \startlines
> a\enskip             b
> a\quad               b
> a\qquad              b
> a\twoperemspace      b
> a\threeperemspace    b
> a\fourperemspace     b
> a\sixperemspace      b
> a\figurespace        b
> a\punctuationspace   b
> a\breakablethinspace b
> a\hairspace          b
> a\zerowidthspace     b
> \stoplines
> \stoptext
>
> Wolfgang
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Re: Does a "half-space" or small space exist in ConTeXt?

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 03/08/2015 01:45 PM, Jörg Weger wrote:
>  > You can use \thinspace or \, which is the short form of \thinspace.
> 
> But \thinspace aka \, is a non-breaking space, isn’t it?

Hi Jörg,

I didn’t know, but it seems to be.

> Is there a way to let it break a line if needed in certain circumstances 
> or is there something else like a “non-non-breaking thinspace”?

Well, I would call it a ”breaking thinspace”.

Adding \hskp0pt enables the breaking.

    \starttext
    \hsize\zeropoint
    a\,b

    a\,\hskip0pt{}b
    \stoptext

I hope it might help,

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Re: Does a "half-space" or small space exist in ConTeXt?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

> Am 08.03.2015 um 13:45 schrieb Jörg Weger <joerg73.muc@googlemail.com>:
> 
> > You can use \thinspace or \, which is the short form of \thinspace.
> >
> 
> But \thinspace aka \, is a non-breaking space, isn’t it?
> 
> Is there a way to let it break a line if needed in certain circumstances or is there something else like a “non-non-breaking thinspace”?


Are these enough?

\starttext %\hsize\zeropoint
\startlines
a\enskip             b
a\quad               b
a\qquad              b
a\twoperemspace      b
a\threeperemspace    b
a\fourperemspace     b
a\sixperemspace      b
a\figurespace        b
a\punctuationspace   b
a\breakablethinspace b
a\hairspace          b
a\zerowidthspace     b
\stoplines
\stoptext

Wolfgang
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Re: Does a "half-space" or small space exist in ConTeXt?

[Jörg Weger]

 > You can use \thinspace or \, which is the short form of \thinspace.
 >

But \thinspace aka \, is a non-breaking space, isn’t it?

Is there a way to let it break a line if needed in certain circumstances 
or is there something else like a “non-non-breaking thinspace”?


Greetings Jörg



On 08.03.2015 12:35, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
>> Am 08.03.2015 um 12:24 schrieb Robert Blackstone <blackstone.robert@gmail.com>:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I would like to use something like a "half-space" or small space in a situation where neither no space, nor a normal space is ideal.
>> See the ME:
>> ---------------------------------
>> \usemodule[simplefonts]
>> \setmainfont[Verdana]
>> \setupbodyfont[10pt]
>> \starttext
>> On the third beat a 6th between bass and tenor, {\em \lohi{B}{g}}, moves to the octave {\em \lohi{A}{a} .
>> \medskip
>> On the third beat a 6th between bass and tenor, {\em \lohi{B}{g}} , moves to the octave {\em \lohi{A}{a}} .
>> \stoptext
>> --------------------------------
>>
>> Without a space after {\em \lohi{B}{g}}, the normal situation, the comma is too close to the B, (and the period too close to the A), suggesting some superscript.
>> A normal space does not look nice (but if necessary I could live with it)
>>
>> Is there an intermediate size for a space somehow?
>
> You can use \thinspace or \, which is the short form of \thinspace.
>
> BTW. The context version of \medskip is \blank[medium].
>
> Wolfgang
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Re: Does a "half-space" or small space exist in ConTeXt?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

> Am 08.03.2015 um 12:24 schrieb Robert Blackstone <blackstone.robert@gmail.com>:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I would like to use something like a "half-space" or small space in a situation where neither no space, nor a normal space is ideal.
> See the ME:
> ---------------------------------
> \usemodule[simplefonts]
> \setmainfont[Verdana]
> \setupbodyfont[10pt]
> \starttext
> On the third beat a 6th between bass and tenor, {\em \lohi{B}{g}}, moves to the octave {\em \lohi{A}{a} . 
> \medskip
> On the third beat a 6th between bass and tenor, {\em \lohi{B}{g}} , moves to the octave {\em \lohi{A}{a}} . 
> \stoptext
> --------------------------------
> 
> Without a space after {\em \lohi{B}{g}}, the normal situation, the comma is too close to the B, (and the period too close to the A), suggesting some superscript.
> A normal space does not look nice (but if necessary I could live with it)
> 
> Is there an intermediate size for a space somehow?

You can use \thinspace or \, which is the short form of \thinspace.

BTW. The context version of \medskip is \blank[medium].

Wolfgang
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Does a "half-space" or small space exist in ConTeXt?

[Robert Blackstone]

Hi all,

I would like to use something like a "half-space" or small space in a situation where neither no space, nor a normal space is ideal.
See the ME:
---------------------------------
\usemodule[simplefonts]
\setmainfont[Verdana]
\setupbodyfont[10pt]
\starttext
On the third beat a 6th between bass and tenor, {\em \lohi{B}{g}}, moves to the octave {\em \lohi{A}{a} . 
\medskip
On the third beat a 6th between bass and tenor, {\em \lohi{B}{g}} , moves to the octave {\em \lohi{A}{a}} . 
\stoptext
--------------------------------

Without a space after {\em \lohi{B}{g}}, the normal situation, the comma is too close to the B, (and the period too close to the A), suggesting some superscript.
A normal space does not look nice (but if necessary I could live with it)

Is there an intermediate size for a space somehow?

Thanks in advance.

Bets regards,
Robert Blackstone
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