beta: \vi (mkiv)

beta: \vi (mkiv)

[Peter Rolf]

Hi,

currently trying the latest(?) beta from 08.03.2009. No problems with 
colors so far...
But a simple font size switch like '\vi' has no effect here.

\starttext
Regular size and {\vi six point}?
\stoptext

Also the 'lazy' \z@ has vanished (too many sideeffects?). RIP.


Best wishes,  Peter

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Re: beta: \vi (mkiv)

[Hans Hagen]

Peter Rolf wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> currently trying the latest(?) beta from 08.03.2009. No problems with 
> colors so far...
> But a simple font size switch like '\vi' has no effect here.
> 
> \starttext
> Regular size and {\vi six point}?
> \stoptext
> 
> Also the 'lazy' \z@ has vanished (too many sideeffects?). RIP.

indeed. \z@ and \p@ are gone as are \@ne and \m@ne

also, the \v \vi \vii and sich are gone as they were artefacts form the 
previous century

feel free to make a compaibility module ...

\let\p@\onepoint

and such

plain tabs are still there but isolated in a core module

also some low level math stuff goes away like m@th as it does not help 
readability

Hans


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Re: beta: \vi (mkiv)

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Mon, 9 Mar 2009, Hans Hagen wrote:

> Peter Rolf wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> currently trying the latest(?) beta from 08.03.2009. No problems with 
>> colors so far...
>> But a simple font size switch like '\vi' has no effect here.
>> 
>> \starttext
>> Regular size and {\vi six point}?
>> \stoptext
>> 
>> Also the 'lazy' \z@ has vanished (too many sideeffects?). RIP.
>
> indeed. \z@ and \p@ are gone as are \@ne and \m@ne
>
> also, the \v \vi \vii and sich are gone as they were artefacts form the 
> previous century
>
> feel free to make a compaibility module ...
>
> \let\p@\onepoint

We will definitely need this, at least for getting tikz to work with 
ConTeXt.

Aditya
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Re: beta: \vi (mkiv)

[Hans Hagen]

Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Mar 2009, Hans Hagen wrote:
> 
>> Peter Rolf wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> currently trying the latest(?) beta from 08.03.2009. No problems with 
>>> colors so far...
>>> But a simple font size switch like '\vi' has no effect here.
>>>
>>> \starttext
>>> Regular size and {\vi six point}?
>>> \stoptext
>>>
>>> Also the 'lazy' \z@ has vanished (too many sideeffects?). RIP.
>>
>> indeed. \z@ and \p@ are gone as are \@ne and \m@ne
>>
>> also, the \v \vi \vii and sich are gone as they were artefacts form 
>> the previous century
>>
>> feel free to make a compaibility module ...
>>
>> \let\p@\onepoint
> 
> We will definitely need this, at least for getting tikz to work with 
> ConTeXt.

ok, but separated from the code; it's no problem to load it by default, 
but context internally will not use them

Hans



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Re: beta: \vi (mkiv)

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Mon, 9 Mar 2009, Hans Hagen wrote:

> Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Mar 2009, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> 
>>> Peter Rolf wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> currently trying the latest(?) beta from 08.03.2009. No problems with 
>>>> colors so far...
>>>> But a simple font size switch like '\vi' has no effect here.
>>>> 
>>>> \starttext
>>>> Regular size and {\vi six point}?
>>>> \stoptext
>>>> 
>>>> Also the 'lazy' \z@ has vanished (too many sideeffects?). RIP.
>>> 
>>> indeed. \z@ and \p@ are gone as are \@ne and \m@ne
>>> 
>>> also, the \v \vi \vii and sich are gone as they were artefacts form the 
>>> previous century
>>> 
>>> feel free to make a compaibility module ...
>>> 
>>> \let\p@\onepoint
>> 
>> We will definitely need this, at least for getting tikz to work with 
>> ConTeXt.
>
> ok, but separated from the code; it's no problem to load it by default, but 
> context internally will not use them

definitely. It should be part of the distribution, so that someone writing 
a module that works with both ConTeXt and LaTeX does not need to know both 
systems inside out.

And a similar package for LaTeX, having most programming features present 
in ConTeXt, will be nice :)

Aditya
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Re: beta: \vi (mkiv)

[Hans Hagen]

Aditya Mahajan wrote:

> And a similar package for LaTeX, having most programming features 
> present in ConTeXt, will be nice :)

to some extend, writing a latex compatibilty layer for context should be 
doable ... a bunch of commands (begin/end ..) and some lua expresions 
... but we let others define the reasonable subset

Hans


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Re: beta: \vi (mkiv)

[Hans Hagen]

Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Mar 2009, Hans Hagen wrote:

> definitely. It should be part of the distribution, so that someone 
> writing a module that works with both ConTeXt and LaTeX does not need to 
> know both systems inside out.

this is probably all we need:

\unprotect

\let \p@   \onepoint
\let \z@   \zeropoint
\let \@ne  \plusone
\let \m@ne \minusone

\protect \endinput


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