How to use my own BibTeX style (bst)?

How to use my own BibTeX style (bst)?

[Wei-Wei Guo]

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Dear all,

I have both English and Chinese citations in my paper. Because Chinese citation
has some special requirements, such as using "µÈ" instead of "et al". I made a
bst file to solve the localization problem. But after reading the manual of
t-bib and searched in garden and mailing list, I find it might be tricky to
make t-bib use my own bst file. Could you tell my how to do it?

Thanks a lot!

Best wishes,
Wei-Wei Guo


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Re: How to use my own BibTeX style (bst)?

[Wei-Wei Guo]

Thank you, Mojca and Taco. I finally get my t-bib working. Now I can
continue working on my bibl style.

Taco Hoekwater 写道:
>> I don't know those styles get adapted automatically when language is
>> changed. Taco should answer (I should take a closer look, but no time
>> now).
> 
> They do not. You have to give a setup command like
> 
>   \setuppublications[alternative=my-zh] % for bibl-my-zh.tex
> 
>> I'm not sure if you can use different style for different books based
>> on language the book was written in (maybe possible, but tedious, the
>> style would have to be rewritten completely).
> 
> With a suitable \setuppublicationlayout this should be possible:
> you can decide based on the value of the current language, which is
> set from the bibtex language field automatically. But I have never
> actually tried to do this, so I have no example code available for you.
> 

I'm still confused. Is it possible to use different bibl based on the value
of \lang. Or I can only implement it with bunch of \if in *one* bibl file?

Best wishes,
Wei-Wei
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Re: How to use my own BibTeX style (bst)?

[Taco Hoekwater]

Wei-Wei Guo wrote:
>>
> 
> I'm still confused. Is it possible to use different bibl based on the value
> of \lang. 

I am not sure what \lang is now, but you cannot get a different bibl
file based on the current \language or \mainlanguage in the document.

I was talking about influencing one (or more) of the entries in the
bibliography list based on the language of that actual entry. With
quite some trickery, that could be made to work (but not easy either).

Best wishes,
Taco






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Re: How to use my own BibTeX style (bst)?

[Wei-Wei Guo]

Taco Hoekwater 写道:
> Wei-Wei Guo wrote:
>>>
>>
>> I'm still confused. Is it possible to use different bibl based on the 
>> value
>> of \lang. 
> 
> I am not sure what \lang is now, but you cannot get a different bibl
> file based on the current \language or \mainlanguage in the document.
> 

The \lang that I said is the entry field in \startpublications. It is listed
in the t-bib manual.

> I was talking about influencing one (or more) of the entries in the
> bibliography list based on the language of that actual entry. With
> quite some trickery, that could be made to work (but not easy either).
> 

Maybe it is better to provide a simple example. For example, I have try.bbl
as following.


   \startpublication[k=article-full,t=article,
   a={{Aamport},{}},y=1986,
   n=1,s=AAAA86]
   \artauthor[]{Leslie~A.}[L.~A.]{}{Aamport}
   \artauthor[]{Leslie~A.}[L.~A.]{}{Aamport}
   \artauthor[]{Leslie~A.}[L.~A.]{}{Aamport}
   \artauthor[]{Leslie~A.}[L.~A.]{}{Aamport}
   \pubyear{1986}
   \arttitle{The gnats and gnus document preparation system}
   \journal{\mbox{G-Animal's} Journal}
   \volume{41}
   \issue{7}
   \pages{73--83}
   \month{7}
   \note{This is a full ARTICLE entry}
   \stoppublication

   \startpublication[k=c-article-full,t=article,
   a={{姓名一},{}},y=1986,
   n=2,s=XXXX86]
   \lang{chinese}
   \artauthor[]{}[]{}{姓名一}
   \artauthor[]{}[]{}{姓名二}
   \artauthor[]{}[]{}{姓名三}
   \artauthor[]{}[]{}{姓名四}
   \pubyear{1986}
   \arttitle{一篇文章的名字}
   \journal{一本杂志的名字}
   \volume{41}
   \issue{7}
   \pages{73--82}
   \month{7}
   \note{This is a full ARTICLE entry}
   \stoppublication


And I cite those two entries in my main text.


   English Bibliogrphy \cite[article-full].

   中文文献 \cite[c-article-full]。


I want to get


   English Bibliogrphy (Aamport, et al.,1986).
   中文文献（姓名一, 等, 1986）。


Could you give some clues about how to implement it?

Another question: How to get "Hoekwater(2009)" instead of "(Hoekwater, 2009)"?
I mean the equal command of \citet in LaTeX.


Best wishes,
Wei-Wei
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Re: How to use my own BibTeX style (bst)?

[Taco Hoekwater]

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Wei-Wei Guo wrote:
>>
> 
> Maybe it is better to provide a simple example. For example, I have try.bbl
> as following.

In mkiv (and xetex also, I assume), that just works, assuming you have a
working typescript for the combination of scripts. Example attached (the
example uses AdobeMingStd-Light)

I have absolutely no idea how to make this work in pdftex.

Best wishes,
Taco


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Re: How to use my own BibTeX style (bst)?

[Wei-Wei Guo]

Taco Hoekwater 写道:
> 
> In mkiv (and xetex also, I assume), that just works, assuming you have a
> working typescript for the combination of scripts. Example attached (the
> example uses AdobeMingStd-Light)
> 

You might misunderstand. I was providing an example to you in my previous email,
not asking you to give me an example file. But it is fine since I can describe
my problem clear based on the PDF file generated from 'runme.tex'.

Here is what I want:

   English Bibliogrphy (Aamport, et al.,1986).
   中文文献（姓名一, 等, 1986）。

   Aamport, L. A., Aamport, L. A., Aamport, L. A. and Aamport, L. A. (1986).
      The gnats and gnus document preparation system. G-Animal's Journal, 41(7),
      73-83. This is a full ARTICLE entry.
   姓名一, 姓名二, 姓名三 和 姓名四(1986).一篇文章的名字.一本杂志的名字, 41(7),
      73-82. This is a full ARTICLE entry.


Here is what 'runme.tex' provides:

   English Bibliogrphy (Aamport, et al.,1986).
   中文文献（姓名一, etal, 1986）。

   Aamport, L. A., Aamport, L. A., Aamport, L. A. and Aamport, L. A. (1986).
      The gnats and gnus document preparation system. G-Animal's Journal, 41(7),
      73-83. This is a full ARTICLE entry.
   姓名一,姓名二,姓名三and姓名四(1986).一篇文章的名字.一本杂志的名字, 41(7),
      73-82. This is a full ARTICLE entry.


Compare those two results:

- Chinese citation uses '等' instead of 'et al'.
- Chinese bibliography uses '和' instead of 'and'.

Of course, the comparison is not complete.

My question: Since I can write 'bibl-my-en.tex' for English entries and
'bibl-my-zh.tex' for Chinese entries, can I use both of them when I have both
English and Chinese citations in one paper? If not, could you give some advises
about how to implement it?

Hope I made it clear this time.


Best wishes,
Wei-Wei


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Re: How to use my own BibTeX style (bst)?

[Taco Hoekwater]

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Wei-Wei Guo wrote:
> Compare those two results:
> 
> - Chinese citation uses '等' instead of 'et al'.
> - Chinese bibliography uses '和' instead of 'and'.
> 
> Of course, the comparison is not complete.
> 
> My question: Since I can write 'bibl-my-en.tex' for English entries and
> 'bibl-my-zh.tex' for Chinese entries, can I use both of them when I have 
> both English and Chinese citations in one paper? If not, could you give some 
> advises about how to implement it?

The short answer is no.

The long answer: although you cannot make it depend on the language
of the citation, you can make it change depending on an explicit
language switch. This takes a bit of work, but it is better than
nothing, I guess.

Here is how:

* first, edit the bibl-my file so that it contains calls to
   \labeltext{} instead of literal tests, for example:

    \setupcite
        [authoryears]
        [andtext={ \labeltext{and} },
         otherstext={ \labeltext{etal}},
         .... % many more are needed, of course

   you can invent wnatever you like in the argument of \labeltext,
   because you will define them in the next step.

* second, define all the label texts you used in the previous
   step for the all languages you need.  Short example:

   \setuplabeltext[en][etal={et al.}, and={and}]
   \setuplabeltext[cn][etal={等},and={和}]

* third, you now need to do a \mainlanguage switch before every \cite
   that does not use the main language of your paper. So assuming
   your paper is uses \mainlanguage[cn], then you need to create
   a definition like this for the english citations:

     \def\encite[#1]{{\mainlanguage[en]\cite[#1]}}

   and you have to use \encite[article=full] in your paper.

that takes care of the citations in the running text of your paper.
For the publication list:

* first, you have to redefine one of the t-bib macros.
   The new definition of \lang (to be put in your setup) should become

   \unprotect
   \def\lang#1%
    {\def\biblanguage{#1}%
     \ifcsname \??pb @lang@#1\endcsname
         \expanded{\mainlanguage[\getvalue{\??pb @lang@#1}]}%
         \expanded{\language[\getvalue{\??pb @lang@#1}]}%
      \fi \ignorespaces}
    \protect

* two, you have to a language field to each bibtex data item.


* three, you need a \setbiblanguage command for every language name
   that appears in your bib file. This will connect \lang arguments
   to context language keys.

   For example:

     \setbiblanguage{chinese}{cn}
     \setbiblanguage{english}{en}

   you may need a few of those, depending on how consistent your
   bibtex data is.


After all of that, it will probably work, in most cases. Incidentally,
one of the reasons why the bib modules doesn't do this is because all
of that mucking about with \mainlanguage not very nice. Another is that
a simple string replacement is usually not sufficient to have proper
localization. A third reason is that many publishers want to have
citation data in the language of the paper, regardless of the
language of the cited publications.

For completeness' I have attached my example again, with all these
points applied.

Best wishes,
Taco




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Re: How to use my own BibTeX style (bst)?

[Wei-Wei Guo]

Thank you very much!

Best wishes,
Wei-Wei


Taco Hoekwater 写道:
> The long answer: although you cannot make it depend on the language
> of the citation, you can make it change depending on an explicit
> language switch. This takes a bit of work, but it is better than
> nothing, I guess.
> 
> Here is how:
> 
> * first, edit the bibl-my file so that it contains calls to
>   \labeltext{} instead of literal tests, for example:
> 
>    \setupcite
>        [authoryears]
>        [andtext={ \labeltext{and} },
>         otherstext={ \labeltext{etal}},
>         .... % many more are needed, of course
> 
>   you can invent wnatever you like in the argument of \labeltext,
>   because you will define them in the next step.
> 
> * second, define all the label texts you used in the previous
>   step for the all languages you need.  Short example:
> 
>   \setuplabeltext[en][etal={et al.}, and={and}]
>   \setuplabeltext[cn][etal={等},and={和}]
> 
> * third, you now need to do a \mainlanguage switch before every \cite
>   that does not use the main language of your paper. So assuming
>   your paper is uses \mainlanguage[cn], then you need to create
>   a definition like this for the english citations:
> 
>     \def\encite[#1]{{\mainlanguage[en]\cite[#1]}}
> 
>   and you have to use \encite[article=full] in your paper.
> 
> that takes care of the citations in the running text of your paper.
> For the publication list:
> 
> * first, you have to redefine one of the t-bib macros.
>   The new definition of \lang (to be put in your setup) should become
> 
>   \unprotect
>   \def\lang#1%
>    {\def\biblanguage{#1}%
>     \ifcsname \??pb @lang@#1\endcsname
>         \expanded{\mainlanguage[\getvalue{\??pb @lang@#1}]}%
>         \expanded{\language[\getvalue{\??pb @lang@#1}]}%
>      \fi \ignorespaces}
>    \protect
> 
> * two, you have to a language field to each bibtex data item.
> 
> 
> * three, you need a \setbiblanguage command for every language name
>   that appears in your bib file. This will connect \lang arguments
>   to context language keys.
> 
>   For example:
> 
>     \setbiblanguage{chinese}{cn}
>     \setbiblanguage{english}{en}
> 
>   you may need a few of those, depending on how consistent your
>   bibtex data is.
> 
> 
> After all of that, it will probably work, in most cases. Incidentally,
> one of the reasons why the bib modules doesn't do this is because all
> of that mucking about with \mainlanguage not very nice. Another is that
> a simple string replacement is usually not sufficient to have proper
> localization. A third reason is that many publishers want to have
> citation data in the language of the paper, regardless of the
> language of the cited publications.
> 
> For completeness' I have attached my example again, with all these
> points applied.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Taco
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What does "\c!" means?

[Wei-Wei Guo]

Dear all,

I'm reading the source file of t-bib. I find there are lots of '\c!', '\s!', and
'\v!'. What do they mean? I searched in wiki, TeXBook, ConTeXt manual, TeX impatient,
and mail list. Those commands appear some times, but no explanation.

Another question is related the following codes from Taco (thank you, Taco). There
are tokens like '\??pb @lang@`. What does it mean? Could you tell me, to get deep
understanding, what to read or which part to read in TeXBook or some other manuals.
I don't know what to search to find related topics.

>   \unprotect
>   \def\lang#1%
>    {\def\biblanguage{#1}%
>     \ifcsname \??pb @lang@#1\endcsname
>         \expanded{\mainlanguage[\getvalue{\??pb @lang@#1}]}%
>         \expanded{\language[\getvalue{\??pb @lang@#1}]}%
>      \fi \ignorespaces}
>    \protect
> 

Best wishes,
Wei-Wei
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Re: What does "\c!" means?

[Alan Stone]

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On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Wei-Wei Guo <wwguocn@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I'm reading the source file of t-bib. I find there are lots of '\c!',
> '\s!', and
> '\v!'. What do they mean? I searched in wiki, TeXBook, ConTeXt manual, TeX
> impatient,
> and mail list. Those commands appear some times, but no explanation.


http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080629.104105.40e28a70.el.html



> Another question is related the following codes from Taco (thank you,
> Taco). There
> are tokens like '\??pb @lang@`. What does it mean? Could you tell me, to
> get deep
> understanding, what to read or which part to read in TeXBook or some other
> manuals.
> I don't know what to search to find related topics.
>
>  \unprotect
>>  \def\lang#1%
>>   {\def\biblanguage{#1}%
>>    \ifcsname \??pb @lang@#1\endcsname
>>        \expanded{\mainlanguage[\getvalue{\??pb @lang@#1}]}%
>>        \expanded{\language[\getvalue{\??pb @lang@#1}]}%
>>     \fi \ignorespaces}
>>   \protect
>>
>>
> Best wishes,
> Wei-Wei

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Re: What does "\c!" means?

[Taco Hoekwater]

Alan Stone wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Wei-Wei Guo <wwguocn@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I'm reading the source file of t-bib. I find there are lots of '\c!',
>> '\s!', and
>> '\v!'. What do they mean? I searched in wiki, TeXBook, ConTeXt manual, TeX
>> impatient,
>> and mail list. Those commands appear some times, but no explanation.
> 
> 
> http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080629.104105.40e28a70.el.html

Also generally helpful for a low-level understanding of context are
these wiki pages:

   http://wiki.contextgarden.net/System_Macros

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: What does "\c!" means?

[Wei-Wei Guo]

Thank you, Taco and Alan.


Best wishes,
Wei-Wei

Taco Hoekwater 写道:
> Alan Stone wrote:
>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Wei-Wei Guo <wwguocn@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I'm reading the source file of t-bib. I find there are lots of '\c!',
>>> '\s!', and
>>> '\v!'. What do they mean? I searched in wiki, TeXBook, ConTeXt 
>>> manual, TeX
>>> impatient,
>>> and mail list. Those commands appear some times, but no explanation.
>>
>>
>> http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080629.104105.40e28a70.el.html
> 
> Also generally helpful for a low-level understanding of context are
> these wiki pages:
> 
>   http://wiki.contextgarden.net/System_Macros
> 

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Re: What does "\c!" means?

[Wei-Wei Guo]

Hi Taco,

I just finished reading the 'System_Macros'. I still don't get the meaning
of '\??pb @lang@' in the following codes:

   \def\lang#1%
    {\def\biblanguage{#1}%
     \ifcsname \??pb @lang@#1\endcsname
         \expanded{\mainlanguage[\getvalue{\??pb @lang@#1}]}%
         \expanded{\language[\getvalue{\??pb @lang@#1}]}%
      \fi \ignorespaces}

In \lang[zh], for example, '\??pb @lang@' will be expanded to \@@pblangen,
will it? Is \??pb a command? Is '\??pb @lang@' a command? Why can there be
a whitespace in '\??pb @lang@'?

Sorry for some many questions. I'm so confused and don't know what to
search in wiki, manuals, etc..


Best wishes,
Wei-Wei

Taco Hoekwater 写道:
> Also generally helpful for a low-level understanding of context are
> these wiki pages:
> 
>   http://wiki.contextgarden.net/System_Macros
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Re: What does "\c!" means?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 15.03.2009 um 16:15 schrieb Wei-Wei Guo:

> I just finished reading the 'System_Macros'. I still don't get the  
> meaning
> of '\??pb @lang@' in the following codes:
>
>  \def\lang#1%
>   {\def\biblanguage{#1}%
>    \ifcsname \??pb @lang@#1\endcsname
>        \expanded{\mainlanguage[\getvalue{\??pb @lang@#1}]}%
>        \expanded{\language[\getvalue{\??pb @lang@#1}]}%
>     \fi \ignorespaces}
>
> In \lang[zh], for example, '\??pb @lang@' will be expanded to  
> \@@pblangen,
> will it? Is \??pb a command? Is '\??pb @lang@' a command? Why can  
> there be
> a whitespace in '\??pb @lang@'?

\lang{zh} forms in the \ifcsname ... \endcsname the command  
\@@pp@lang@zh
and looks if the commands is defined, if this is true the language is
switched to chinese.

> Sorry for some many questions. I'm so confused and don't know what to
> search in wiki, manuals, etc..

The \??bp at the begin of the macro is ConTeXt's system to create a  
namespace.

To understand I have to go a little bit away from the above macro and  
will
explain it on ConText's command to create key-val list. With the  
internal
command \getparameters is used to create key-val-lists, this is done  
with

   \getparameters[mycommand][width=1cm,height=2cm,align=right]

This creates the commands \mycommandwidth with the value 1cm,  
\mycommandheight
with the value 2cm and \mycommandalign with the value right. The text  
in the
first brace is the namespace which is used as prefix for each created  
command.
To optimize this operation and save a little bit of TeX's register we  
replace
'mycommand' with '\mycommand' which expand itself \mycommand, to make  
this
system more consystem ConTeXt use the convetion to use namespaces with  
two
question marks and two (or more) letter like the above \??bp, you can  
more
of this tricks in a article from Hans [1].

The space after '\??bp' and the \lang macro above is necessary because  
TeX
thinks otherwise '@lang@' is a part of the '\??bp' command and to  
prevent
this Taco puts the space there.

As a normal user you don't want to write macros or as beginner in  
ConTeXT
programming you don't have to care about this but it's good to know  
why are
things done in this way to understand system macros.

[1] http://www.ntg.nl/maps/22/27.pdf

Wolfgang

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Re: What does "\c!" means?

[Hans Hagen]

Wei-Wei Guo wrote:
> Hi Taco,
> 
> I just finished reading the 'System_Macros'. I still don't get the meaning
> of '\??pb @lang@' in the following codes:
> 
>   \def\lang#1%
>    {\def\biblanguage{#1}%
>     \ifcsname \??pb @lang@#1\endcsname
>         \expanded{\mainlanguage[\getvalue{\??pb @lang@#1}]}%
>         \expanded{\language[\getvalue{\??pb @lang@#1}]}%
>      \fi \ignorespaces}
> 
> In \lang[zh], for example, '\??pb @lang@' will be expanded to \@@pblangen,
> will it? Is \??pb a command? Is '\??pb @lang@' a command? Why can there be
> a whitespace in '\??pb @lang@'?

\??pb creates a namespace so you cannot mess with it in your document 
easily

\??pb is just a macro and the ?? makes it kind of private (hidden)

there has to be a whitespace otherwise you'd call for \??pb@lang@

> Sorry for some many questions. I'm so confused and don't know what to
> search in wiki, manuals, etc..

this is not stuff most users want to know or see; add a few 
\expandafter's, \futurelet's and \afterassignments and one wonders in 
what universe one has ended up

Hans

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Re: What does "\c!" means?

[Wei-Wei Guo]

Thanks, Wolfgang and Hans.


Best wishes,
Wei-Wei


Hans Hagen 写道:
> 
> this is not stuff most users want to know or see; add a few 
> \expandafter's, \futurelet's and \afterassignments and one wonders in 
> what universe one has ended up
> 
> Hans
> 
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