From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/49071 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: \framed (and others) don't honor directional switches Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 11:14:48 +0200 Message-ID: <49D87688.1000908@wxs.nl> References: <20090403123501.GA12675@khaled-laptop> <49D6075C.80106@wxs.nl> <20090403204723.GA28189@khaled-laptop> <49D67CE5.1080802@wxs.nl> <20090403234820.GA4586@khaled-laptop> <49D737F2.9010806@wxs.nl> <20090404150558.GA15057@khaled-laptop> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1238922947 21895 80.91.229.12 (5 Apr 2009 09:15:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 09:15:47 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sun Apr 05 11:17:05 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LqOTR-0000tb-KS for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Apr 2009 11:17:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53B9D1FA4C; Sun, 5 Apr 2009 11:15:39 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02483-01-5; Sun, 5 Apr 2009 11:15:01 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5101FAD7; Sun, 5 Apr 2009 11:15:00 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D211FAD7 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 2009 11:14:56 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02483-01-4 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 2009 11:14:47 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter4-nij.mf.surf.net (filter4-nij.mf.surf.net [195.169.124.155]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5361FA4C for ; Sun, 5 Apr 2009 11:14:47 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail.pragma-ade.net (dsl-083-247-100-017.solcon.nl [83.247.100.17]) by filter4-nij.mf.surf.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n359Ekwk005098 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 2009 11:14:46 +0200 Original-Received: from [10.100.1.100] (unverified [10.100.1.100]) by controller-1 (SurgeMail 3.9e) with ESMTP id 26127-1840426 for ; Sun, 05 Apr 2009 11:14:46 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) In-Reply-To: <20090404150558.GA15057@khaled-laptop> X-Originating-IP: 10.100.1.100 X-Authenticated-User: hagen@controller-1 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=83.247.100.17; country=NL; region=16; city=Dronten; latitude=52.5333; longitude=5.7167; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=52.5333,5.7167&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 204034767 - 6808d4d1001e - 20090405 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 195.169.124.155 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:49071 Archived-At: Khaled Hosny wrote: > On Sat, Apr 04, 2009 at 12:35:30PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: >> Khaled Hosny wrote: >> indeed, so we're looking into it now (an dlet's forget about the >> page/bodydir for the moment) >> >> since textdir and pardir go hand-in-hand i suggest the following >> >> \setuplayout[direction=r2l] % also influences general layout issues > > I assume that will mirror all layout elements like double sided page > numbering, right and left pages etc. right? yes, the thing that idris identified in his onthology (which might have white spots); we start on this once some other arabic font subsystem, has been completed >> \setupalign [r2l] % textdir and pardir >> \setuparranging[direction=r2l] % will flush pages backward >> >> so l2r and r2l values; as they are part of the align mechanism then, >> they are automatically part of all commands that have a align key > > This sounds very good for me. ok, the next beta will have the \setupalign and align= available > While we are in it, I'd suggest that the current implicit bidi to be > revised, currently it is broken. I suggest to be implement Unicode BiDi > algorithm[1], and the "higher-level protocols[2]" part is worthy > investigating. Also, I think it should be decoupled from character > mirroring, so that one can enable mirroring while explicitly setting > text direction. Also, some characters that had assigned mirrored > property in Unicode 5.0.0 has been reversed in later revisions[3] > because it "affects deployed data" (the source of all evil!), this > includes quotation marks, so we need to handle mirroring of those > characters as part of the suggested higher-level protocols as well. hm, this character mirroring is kind of evil anyway (as it can also intefere with font features) i'll look into it later (first need to finish a few things) the problem with bidi is that it it has to work ok with the already present (of triggered) TRT / TLT nodes which is not that trivial Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________