Re: setuptex changes in minimals

[Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>]

Yue Wang wrote:
> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 2:20 AM, Yanrui Li <liyanrui.m2@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Sorry!
>>
>> s/MkIV have not support Chinese typesetting now / MkIV have not
>> support Chinese typesetting well now/g
> 
> 
> We can start a fork of scrp-* on code.google.com/p/ctex-kit,
> making a usable version, and later ask Hans to merge back into ConTeXt.

it all depends how scrp evolves as it has to deal with more issues too; 
i will not merge code that i don't fully understand but experimenting 
does not hurt; one problem with script stuff is that (in the future) it 
might be closely cooperate with other mechanisms of context (it used to 
be part of the font analyser, now it's plugged in elsewhere but even 
that might change, for instance when in upcoming versions of luatex we 
have a bit more control)

also, some issues will be dealt with in other code in the future (i 
simply cannot touch all code at the same time) so don't expect mkiv to 
be finished before 2012 (when luatex 1 is ready); it's a stepwise 
process and it's only driven by context (i.e. generic code only shows up 
when context code works okay);

anyhow, as long as nobody tells me what the expected behaviour is, with 
test code etc i can;t fix anything; one complication (e.g. with chinese) 
is that over the last few year is got conflicting requests; now, if 
there are multiple ways to deal with it, then i can implement variants 
but only if i know the exact conventions (with proper names for them)

for instance when i found out that cjk-korean is not the same as 
cjk-chinese (one of them) i split the machinery so we're not talking cjk 
here, but very specific needs; after the split i never tested chinese 
(no samples) and no one else propbably did that either

keep in mind that context is not meant for one language but for many and 
that when possible mechanisms need to be able to used mixed; there will 
never be exclusive solutions for one languages unless it's a very 
specialized module

anyhow, we can best follow the same route as with other language / 
script support

- we need consistent specs, or maybe multiple specs as variants
- as well as test files for each such case
- and then we can look into what can be improved or added

Hans

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