From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/50143 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: setuptex changes in minimals Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 10:02:23 +0200 Message-ID: <4A05388F.2010605@wxs.nl> References: <6faad9f00905080419m4c8064biaefd5189bae5aa13@mail.gmail.com> <6faad9f00905081043p1022d147m147c31b8ecddf233@mail.gmail.com> <68bfdc900905081857o4a54af57u65a2f1d14dd244e0@mail.gmail.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1241856222 9193 80.91.229.12 (9 May 2009 08:03:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 08:03:42 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sat May 09 10:03:33 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M2hWv-0007QZ-Cm for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 10:03:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E10FC1FE4C; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:03:32 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25305-02; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:02:39 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A13EE1FE31; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:02:39 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB891FE31 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:02:36 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25543-02-2 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:02:27 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter1-til.mf.surf.net (filter1-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.217]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5071FB71 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:02:27 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail.pragma-ade.net (dsl-083-247-100-017.solcon.nl [83.247.100.17]) by filter1-til.mf.surf.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n4982QSn007284 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 10:02:26 +0200 Original-Received: from [10.100.1.100] (unverified [10.100.1.100]) by controller-1 (SurgeMail 3.9e) with ESMTP id 8288-1840426 for ; Sat, 09 May 2009 10:02:26 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) In-Reply-To: <68bfdc900905081857o4a54af57u65a2f1d14dd244e0@mail.gmail.com> X-Originating-IP: 10.100.1.100 X-Authenticated-User: hagen@controller-1 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=83.247.100.17; country=NL; region=15; city=Almelo; latitude=52.3500; longitude=6.6667; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=52.3500,6.6667&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 222136901 - f33e73bac4cc - 20090509 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.217 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:50143 Archived-At: Yue Wang wrote: > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 2:20 AM, Yanrui Li wrote: >> Sorry! >> >> s/MkIV have not support Chinese typesetting now / MkIV have not >> support Chinese typesetting well now/g > > > We can start a fork of scrp-* on code.google.com/p/ctex-kit, > making a usable version, and later ask Hans to merge back into ConTeXt. it all depends how scrp evolves as it has to deal with more issues too; i will not merge code that i don't fully understand but experimenting does not hurt; one problem with script stuff is that (in the future) it might be closely cooperate with other mechanisms of context (it used to be part of the font analyser, now it's plugged in elsewhere but even that might change, for instance when in upcoming versions of luatex we have a bit more control) also, some issues will be dealt with in other code in the future (i simply cannot touch all code at the same time) so don't expect mkiv to be finished before 2012 (when luatex 1 is ready); it's a stepwise process and it's only driven by context (i.e. generic code only shows up when context code works okay); anyhow, as long as nobody tells me what the expected behaviour is, with test code etc i can;t fix anything; one complication (e.g. with chinese) is that over the last few year is got conflicting requests; now, if there are multiple ways to deal with it, then i can implement variants but only if i know the exact conventions (with proper names for them) for instance when i found out that cjk-korean is not the same as cjk-chinese (one of them) i split the machinery so we're not talking cjk here, but very specific needs; after the split i never tested chinese (no samples) and no one else propbably did that either keep in mind that context is not meant for one language but for many and that when possible mechanisms need to be able to used mixed; there will never be exclusive solutions for one languages unless it's a very specialized module anyhow, we can best follow the same route as with other language / script support - we need consistent specs, or maybe multiple specs as variants - as well as test files for each such case - and then we can look into what can be improved or added Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! 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