* replacement of "\@." ?
@ 2009-05-14 1:51 Ryo Furue
2009-05-14 4:05 ` Yue Wang
2009-05-14 6:40 ` Wolfgang Schuster
0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ryo Furue @ 2009-05-14 1:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
Hi ConTeXt users,
I'm wondering what's the ConTeXt version
of LaTeX's "\@." (which indicates an end-of-sentence
period). I can define
\def\@{\spacefactor1000}
and use it, but if there is an official version
I'd like to know.
Regards,
Ryo
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread* Re: replacement of "\@." ? 2009-05-14 1:51 replacement of "\@." ? Ryo Furue @ 2009-05-14 4:05 ` Yue Wang 2009-05-14 6:23 ` Martin Schröder 2009-05-14 7:04 ` Hans Hagen 2009-05-14 6:40 ` Wolfgang Schuster 1 sibling, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Yue Wang @ 2009-05-14 4:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Ryo Furue <furue@hawaii.edu> wrote: > Hi ConTeXt users, > > I'm wondering what's the ConTeXt version > of LaTeX's "\@." (which indicates an end-of-sentence > period). I can define > > \def\@{\spacefactor1000} > > and use it, but if there is an official version > I'd like to know. > I think in Professional typesetting, the same amount of space should be left for all full stop/comma/whaever. You'd better change TeX's default behavior. > Regards, > Ryo > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: replacement of "\@." ? 2009-05-14 4:05 ` Yue Wang @ 2009-05-14 6:23 ` Martin Schröder 2009-05-14 7:04 ` Hans Hagen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Martin Schröder @ 2009-05-14 6:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users 2009/5/14, Yue Wang <yuleopen@gmail.com>: > I think in Professional typesetting, the same amount of space should > be left for all full stop/comma/whaever. Not always: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_spacing Best Martin ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: replacement of "\@." ? 2009-05-14 4:05 ` Yue Wang 2009-05-14 6:23 ` Martin Schröder @ 2009-05-14 7:04 ` Hans Hagen 2009-05-14 12:06 ` Khaled Hosny 2009-05-14 20:35 ` Peter Münster 1 sibling, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2009-05-14 7:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Yue Wang wrote: > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Ryo Furue <furue@hawaii.edu> wrote: >> Hi ConTeXt users, >> >> I'm wondering what's the ConTeXt version >> of LaTeX's "\@." (which indicates an end-of-sentence >> period). I can define >> >> \def\@{\spacefactor1000} >> >> and use it, but if there is an official version >> I'd like to know. >> > > I think in Professional typesetting, the same amount of space should > be left for all full stop/comma/whaever. > You'd better change TeX's default behavior. huh? each language can has its own rules ... spacing after period or comma is one, but also think of quotes in quotations etc; and, the french have spacing before and after : ; . , (it has always been a selling point for tex to be able to deal with it) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: replacement of "\@." ? 2009-05-14 7:04 ` Hans Hagen @ 2009-05-14 12:06 ` Khaled Hosny 2009-05-14 20:35 ` Peter Münster 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Khaled Hosny @ 2009-05-14 12:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1140 bytes --] On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 09:04:51AM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: > Yue Wang wrote: >> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Ryo Furue <furue@hawaii.edu> wrote: >>> Hi ConTeXt users, >>> >>> I'm wondering what's the ConTeXt version >>> of LaTeX's "\@." (which indicates an end-of-sentence >>> period). I can define >>> >>> \def\@{\spacefactor1000} >>> >>> and use it, but if there is an official version >>> I'd like to know. >>> >> >> I think in Professional typesetting, the same amount of space should >> be left for all full stop/comma/whaever. >> You'd better change TeX's default behavior. > > huh? > > each language can has its own rules ... spacing after period or comma is > one, but also think of quotes in quotations etc; and, the french have > spacing before and after : ; . , (it has always been a selling point for > tex to be able to deal with it) Not only French, it is also the case for traditional Arabic typesetting, though people tend to follow the English rules these days. Regards, Khaled -- Khaled Hosny Arabic localiser and member of Arabeyes.org team Free font developer [-- Attachment #1.2: Digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 197 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 487 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: replacement of "\@." ? 2009-05-14 7:04 ` Hans Hagen 2009-05-14 12:06 ` Khaled Hosny @ 2009-05-14 20:35 ` Peter Münster 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Peter Münster @ 2009-05-14 20:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Thu, 14 May 2009, Hans Hagen wrote: > each language can has its own rules ... spacing after period or comma is one, > but also think of quotes in quotations etc; and, the french have spacing > before and after : ; . , (it has always been a selling point for tex to be > able to deal with it) Hello Hans, Could you please comment on this message: http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080718.192231.d8036759.en.html It seems, that the contents of this message is still up-to-date. Cheers, Peter -- Contact information: http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: replacement of "\@." ? 2009-05-14 1:51 replacement of "\@." ? Ryo Furue 2009-05-14 4:05 ` Yue Wang @ 2009-05-14 6:40 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2009-05-14 19:59 ` Ryo Furue 1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2009-05-14 6:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 14.05.2009 um 03:51 schrieb Ryo Furue: > Hi ConTeXt users, > > I'm wondering what's the ConTeXt version > of LaTeX's "\@." (which indicates an end-of-sentence > period). I can define > > \def\@{\spacefactor1000} > > and use it, but if there is an official version > I'd like to know. ... USA.\ ... Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: replacement of "\@." ? 2009-05-14 6:40 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2009-05-14 19:59 ` Ryo Furue 2009-05-14 20:31 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Ryo Furue @ 2009-05-14 19:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context | > I'm wondering what's the ConTeXt version | > of LaTeX's "\@." (which indicates an end-of-sentence | > period). I can define | > | > \def\@{\spacefactor1000} | > | > and use it, but if there is an official version | > I'd like to know. | | ... USA.\ ... Thanks, but that doesn't change the spacing, in my environment at least. (I use texlive-context on the testing distribution of Debian.) I think the command "\ " inserts an inter-word spacing, not an inter-sentence spacing. You can compare whether USA.\ This is another sentence gives the same result as USA\spacefactor1000. This is another sentence I know there is a typographic style where the inter-word and inter-sentence spacings are the same. But, by default, ConTeXt uses a larger inter-sentence spacing than the inter-word spacing. In such a case, there has to be a means to indicate an inter-sentence spacing when a sentence ends with a capital letter and a period. Regards, Ryo ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: replacement of "\@." ? 2009-05-14 19:59 ` Ryo Furue @ 2009-05-14 20:31 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2009-05-15 20:11 ` Peter Münster 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2009-05-14 20:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 14.05.2009 um 21:59 schrieb Ryo Furue: > I know there is a typographic style where the inter-word > and inter-sentence spacings are the same. But, by default, > ConTeXt uses a larger inter-sentence spacing than the > inter-word spacing. In such a case, there has to be a means > to indicate an inter-sentence spacing when a sentence ends > with a capital letter and a period. The TeXbook suggest to use \null before the period, e.g. "USA\null. This is another sentence" but I would prefer here LaTeX's \@. @Hans: There is something wrong with \nonfrenchspacing (or spacefactor) in mkiv. \starttext USA. This is another sentence USA.\ This is another sentence USA\null. This is another sentence USA\spacefactor1000. This is another sentence \stoptext Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: replacement of "\@." ? 2009-05-14 20:31 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2009-05-15 20:11 ` Peter Münster 2009-05-18 9:30 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Peter Münster @ 2009-05-15 20:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Thu, 14 May 2009, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: > @Hans: There is something wrong with \nonfrenchspacing (or spacefactor) in > mkiv. Indeed. See also: http://tracker.luatex.org/view.php?id=117 Cheers, Peter -- Contact information: http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: replacement of "\@." ? 2009-05-15 20:11 ` Peter Münster @ 2009-05-18 9:30 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2009-05-18 9:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 15.05.2009 um 22:11 schrieb Peter Münster: > On Thu, 14 May 2009, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: > >> @Hans: There is something wrong with \nonfrenchspacing (or >> spacefactor) in mkiv. > > Indeed. See also: http://tracker.luatex.org/view.php?id=117 Another test file, as you can see (ConTeXt and Hans extended plain TeX) it happens only with OT fonts but not with Type1. \font\one=cmr10 \font\two=file:texgyrepagella-regular \bgroup A A A \primitive\sfcode`A=2000 A A A \egroup \bgroup\one A A A \primitive\sfcode`A=2000 A A A \egroup \bgroup\two A A A \primitive\sfcode`A=2000 A A A \egroup \bye Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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