From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/52465 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: suggestions for MKIV Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:17:12 +0200 Message-ID: <4A8C0968.7040602@wxs.nl> References: <226EDC9B-DAFC-4D78-A5A2-395B1C3003C4@gmail.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1250691468 11454 80.91.229.12 (19 Aug 2009 14:17:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:17:48 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Wed Aug 19 16:17:41 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Mdlyt-0004A9-ER for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:17:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83892C9B10; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:17:38 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id spOqILtlF6ct; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:17:29 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A599C9A86; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:17:29 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E87C9A86 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:17:27 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id rhrVvSD1CVJ3 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:17:12 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail.pragma-ade.net (dsl-083-247-100-017.solcon.nl [83.247.100.17]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0071C9A7C for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:17:12 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [10.100.1.100] (unverified [10.100.1.100]) by controller-1 (SurgeMail 3.9e) with ESMTP id 846-1840426 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:17:12 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) In-Reply-To: X-Originating-IP: 10.100.1.100 X-Authenticated-User: hagen@controller-1 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:52465 Archived-At: Peter M=FCnster wrote: > On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: > = >>> Since there is no more need, to keep compatibility with MKII (there are >>> already a lot of differences), I suggest - for the benefit of beginners= - >>> to change at least 2 things: >>> >>> - let \framed or \externalfigure behave like \parbox and \includegraphi= cs >>> in LaTeX, i.e. no more need to put \dontleavehmode before the command >>> (the current behaviour is just not very intuitive...) >> no, no and no! >> >> \starttext >> \placefigure{centered?}{\framed{vmode}} >> \placefigure{centered?}{\dontleavehmode\framed{hmode}} >> \stoptext > = > Hello Wolfgang, > = > I remember well your example. And again, it's more intuitive, if > = > \placefigure{centered?}{test} > and > \placefigure{centered?}{\framed{test}} > and > \placefigure{centered?}{test \framed{test} test} > = > would behave the *same* way. > = > = > There is no real problem for *me*, but it's very difficult to explain to a > beginner (often coming from LaTeX), that here and there, a \dontleavehmode \framed starts with a \bgroup which makes it possible to do \setbox\vbox\framed so we cannot change that without breaking things ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________= ________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to t= he Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-cont= ext webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________= ________