Helvetica Neue and Snow Leopard

Helvetica Neue and Snow Leopard

[Brian R. Landy]

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Hi, I've run into a problem using Helvetica Neue on a Mac under Snow  
Leopard.  The font is provided by Apple and was a dfont package on  
10.5, now it is a ttc.  I am getting garbled and funny text using it.   
An example is --

\usetypescriptfile[type-mac]
\usetypescript[helvetica-neue]
\setupbodyfont[helvetica-neue,sans,10pt]
\starttext
{\bf Hello World, 1234567890\par}
{Hello World, 1234567890\par}
\stoptext

I am attaching pdfs that show the correct (from Leopard) and incorrect  
output.  Both systems are running ConTeXt 2009.08.19 (actually I just  
updated to 2009.08.30 with no help, this is using minimals) and LuaTeX  
beta-0.43.0-2009081811.  The bold font gets the letters correct but it  
looks terrible; normal sans text is completely garbled.  I have  
reloaded my font database but it didn't help.

Thanks,
Brian


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Re: Helvetica Neue and Snow Leopard

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 31.08.2009 um 06:37 schrieb Brian R. Landy:

> Hi, I've run into a problem using Helvetica Neue on a Mac under Snow  
> Leopard.  The font is provided by Apple and was a dfont package on  
> 10.5, now it is a ttc.

What should we say, LuaTeX gets dfont support and Apple convert most  
of their
fonts from dfont to ttc.

> I am getting garbled and funny text using it.

It seems to be a problem with ttc-fonts in ConTeXt (unrelated to  
typescripts),
here is a shorter example:

\starttext
\char65 {\definedfont[name:helveticaneue]\char65}
\stoptext

Wolfgang


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Re: Helvetica Neue and Snow Leopard

[Brian R. Landy]

On Aug 31, 2009, at 4:53 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

>
> Am 31.08.2009 um 06:37 schrieb Brian R. Landy:
>
>> Hi, I've run into a problem using Helvetica Neue on a Mac under  
>> Snow Leopard.  The font is provided by Apple and was a dfont  
>> package on 10.5, now it is a ttc.
>
> What should we say, LuaTeX gets dfont support and Apple convert most  
> of their
> fonts from dfont to ttc.

At least they left a few around so it wasn't completely wasted effort :)

>
>> I am getting garbled and funny text using it.
>
> It seems to be a problem with ttc-fonts in ConTeXt (unrelated to  
> typescripts),
> here is a shorter example:
>
> \starttext
> \char65 {\definedfont[name:helveticaneue]\char65}
> \stoptext
>

Is there a location that I could put the dfont file (and I also have  
access to HelveticaNeue in a set of otf files) that would override  
ConTeXt locating Apple's ttc, but not be visible to OS X?

Thanks,
Brian

> Wolfgang
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Re: Helvetica Neue and Snow Leopard

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 01.09.2009 um 05:22 schrieb Brian R. Landy:

>> What should we say, LuaTeX gets dfont support and Apple convert  
>> most of their
>> fonts from dfont to ttc.
>
> At least they left a few around so it wasn't completely wasted  
> effort :)

It don't say it's wasted effort because there are many people with Mac  
OS 10.5.

>>> I am getting garbled and funny text using it.
>>
>> It seems to be a problem with ttc-fonts in ConTeXt (unrelated to  
>> typescripts),
>> here is a shorter example:
>
> Is there a location that I could put the dfont file (and I also have  
> access to HelveticaNeue in a set of otf files) that would override  
> ConTeXt locating Apple's ttc, but not be visible to OS X?


Can you check if your Helvetica fonts have the same names as the  
system fonts,
I have also my own Helvetica but they have different names (and  
styles :) and can
be used without problems because of this.

Wolfgang

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Re: Helvetica Neue and Snow Leopard

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 01.09.2009 um 05:22 schrieb Brian R. Landy:

> Is there a location that I could put the dfont file (and I also have  
> access to HelveticaNeue in a set of otf files) that would override  
> ConTeXt locating Apple's ttc, but not be visible to OS X?

Till ttc-fonts are fixed you can take the dfont-files from leopard and  
save
them in your TeX directory, ConTeXt will use these fonts first and you  
get
the correct output in MkIV.

Wolfgang

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Re: Helvetica Neue and Snow Leopard

[Brian R. Landy]

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Sorry for the long delay in replying.

mtxrun doesn't seem to find the fonts when I put them under my TeX  
tree.  I tried a few different places.  If I place them in  
~/Library/Fonts, it does use them, although the System ttc file  
overrides my local dfont.  Is there something else I need to do to add  
them in the main Tex tree (using minimals)?  I'm rerunning mtxrun, of  
course.

Per your other message (for your interest), I've attached the list of  
the other Helvetica fonts I have.

Best regards,
Brian

Quoting Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>:

>
> Am 01.09.2009 um 05:22 schrieb Brian R. Landy:
>
>> Is there a location that I could put the dfont file (and I also  
>> have access to HelveticaNeue in a set of otf files) that would  
>> override ConTeXt locating Apple's ttc, but not be visible to OS X?
>
> Till ttc-fonts are fixed you can take the dfont-files from leopard and save
> them in your TeX directory, ConTeXt will use these fonts first and you get
> the correct output in MkIV.
>
> Wolfgang
>
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Re: Helvetica Neue and Snow Leopard

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 03.09.2009 um 21:26 schrieb Brian R. Landy:

> Sorry for the long delay in replying.
>
> mtxrun doesn't seem to find the fonts when I put them under my TeX  
> tree.  I tried a few different places.  If I place them in ~/Library/ 
> Fonts, it does use them, although the System ttc file overrides my  
> local dfont.  Is there something else I need to do to add them in  
> the main Tex tree (using minimals)?  I'm rerunning mtxrun, of course.

Let ConTeXt know there are new files -> luatools --generate

rover:~ wolf$ luatools helveticaneue.dfont
/Users/wolf/context/tex/texmf-fonts/fonts/truetype/leopard/ 
HelveticaNeue.dfont

Wolfgang

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Re: Helvetica Neue and Snow Leopard

[Hans Hagen]

Brian R. Landy wrote:
> Sorry for the long delay in replying.
> 
> mtxrun doesn't seem to find the fonts when I put them under my TeX 
> tree.  I tried a few different places.  If I place them in 
> ~/Library/Fonts, it does use them, although the System ttc file 
> overrides my local dfont.  Is there something else I need to do to add 
> them in the main Tex tree (using minimals)?  I'm rerunning mtxrun, of 
> course.

i cannot test it as i have no Snow L

> Per your other message (for your interest), I've attached the list of 
> the other Helvetica fonts I have.

maybe names.tma in the luatex mkiv cache provides a clue

Hans


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