status of minimals

status of minimals

[Mohamed Bana]

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hello all,

what is the status of the minimals?  i'm still using 0.30.0 (i think), and

$ luatex --version                              This is LuaTeX, Version
beta-0.40.1-2009051315

didn't have protruding support.

is it safe to upgrade?


Mohamed

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Re: status of minimals

[luigi scarso]

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Mohamed Bana<mbana.lists@googlemail.com> wrote:
> hello all,
>
> what is the status of the minimals?  i'm still using 0.30.0 (i think), and
>
> $ luatex --version                              This is LuaTeX, Version
> beta-0.40.1-2009051315
>
> didn't have protruding support.
>
> is it safe to upgrade?
IMHO you should always have the latest

-- 
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Re: status of minimals

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 00:30, Mohamed Bana wrote:
> hello all,
>
> what is the status of the minimals?  i'm still using 0.30.0 (i think), and
>
> $ luatex --version                              This is LuaTeX, Version
> beta-0.40.1-2009051315
>
> didn't have protruding support.
>
> is it safe to upgrade?

If seriously in doubt, just create a parallel tree and try to use the
parallel tree for some time. If it fails you can still fall back to
the old tree.

Mojca
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Re: status of minimals

[Mohamed Bana]

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is hanging still broken or is there new syntax?

i'm also getting an a white background with and no bullet points with;

\usemodule[simpleslides]
[style=HorizontalStripes,
color=blue]
...
\startitemize
  \item Demo.
\stopitemize

Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 00:30, Mohamed Bana wrote:
>   
>> hello all,
>>
>> what is the status of the minimals?  i'm still using 0.30.0 (i think), and
>>
>> $ luatex --version                              This is LuaTeX, Version
>> beta-0.40.1-2009051315
>>
>> didn't have protruding support.
>>
>> is it safe to upgrade?
>>     
>
> If seriously in doubt, just create a parallel tree and try to use the
> parallel tree for some time. If it fails you can still fall back to
> the old tree.
>
> Mojca
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Re: status of minimals

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Mohamed Bana wrote:

> i'm also getting an a white background with and no bullet points with;

Is the file simpleslides-s-HorizontalStripes found? Check the log file.

> \usemodule[simpleslides]
> [style=HorizontalStripes,
> color=blue]
> ...
> \startitemize
> \item Demo.
> \stopitemize

Normally, backgrounds only work if you specify a \SlideTitle.

Aditya
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Re: status of minimals

[Mohamed Bana]

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i think this is a bug.

system          : module HorizontalStripes loaded
(/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/third/simple-slides/simpleslides-s-HorizontalStripes.tex
simpleslides    : loading HorizontalStripes style


simpeslides is fetched when the minimals is downloaded

first-setup.sh;

...
mtxrun --verbose --script ./bin/mtx-update.lua --update --make --force
--engine=all --context=beta --texroot=$PWD/tex
--extras="*t-simplesides*,t-tikz"
$@

- Mohamed


2009/9/8 Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu>

> On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Mohamed Bana wrote:
>
>  i'm also getting an a white background with and no bullet points with;
>>
>
> Is the file simpleslides-s-HorizontalStripes found? Check the log file.
>
>  \usemodule[simpleslides]
>> [style=HorizontalStripes,
>> color=blue]
>> ...
>> \startitemize
>> \item Demo.
>> \stopitemize
>>
>
> Normally, backgrounds only work if you specify a \SlideTitle.
>
> Aditya
>
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Re: status of minimals

[Hans Hagen]

Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Mohamed Bana wrote:
> 
>> i'm also getting an a white background with and no bullet points with;
> 
> Is the file simpleslides-s-HorizontalStripes found? Check the log file.

just a remark: best stick to lowercase filenames for modules etc; less 
confusing and error prone

Hans


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Re: status of minimals

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Mohamed Bana wrote:

> i think this is a bug.
>
> system          : module HorizontalStripes loaded
> (/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/third/simple-slides/simpleslides-s-HorizontalStripes.tex
> simpleslides    : loading HorizontalStripes style
>

The log has some lines like this:

mplib           : initializing instance 'metafun' using format 'metafun'
mplib           : making 'metafun.mp' into
'/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/d8cd2a1ce6fae081c3517d1b1e100ec3/formats/cont-en-metafun
.mem'
mplib           : problems with 'metafun.mp' from
'/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/d8cd2a1ce6fae081c3517d1b1e100ec3/formats/cont-en-metafun
.mem'


Does a simple example with mplib work at your end?

\starttext
\startMPpage
draw fullcircle scaled 3cm ;
\stopMPpage
\stoptext

You can try to regenerate the metafun format.

Aditya
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Re: status of minimals

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Hans Hagen wrote:

> Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Mohamed Bana wrote:
>> 
>>> i'm also getting an a white background with and no bullet points with;
>> 
>> Is the file simpleslides-s-HorizontalStripes found? Check the log file.
>
> just a remark: best stick to lowercase filenames for modules etc; less 
> confusing and error prone

I find long lowercase filenames to be hard to read. By error prone, do you 
mean chances of a human typo, or potential filesystem errors on Windows 
(which does not distinguish between uppercase and lowercase filenames)?

Aditya

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Re: status of minimals

[Hans Hagen]

Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Hans Hagen wrote:
> 
>> Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>>> On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Mohamed Bana wrote:
>>>
>>>> i'm also getting an a white background with and no bullet points with;
>>>
>>> Is the file simpleslides-s-HorizontalStripes found? Check the log file.
>>
>> just a remark: best stick to lowercase filenames for modules etc; less 
>> confusing and error prone
> 
> I find long lowercase filenames to be hard to read. By error prone, do 
> you mean chances of a human typo, or potential filesystem errors on 
> Windows (which does not distinguish between uppercase and lowercase 
> filenames)?

in general such long names are probably not read (and in mkiv i do a 
lookup for lowercase anyway in case of no match)

(also, the above name looks funny as it's no SimpleSlides)

it's no problem to use HorizontalStripes in you ruser interface and 
lowercase in filenames

but indeed the fact that we have case-insensitive filesystems are also a 
reason

Hans


ps. in project my experience is that quite some problems come from 
filename mismatches in sources and resources (mixed case, funny chars, 
one of more spaces in a row, etc) esp third party graphics

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Re: status of minimals

[Mohamed Bana]

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can someone please confirm if
...
mtxrun --verbose --script ./bin/mtx-update.lua --update --make --force
--engine=all --context=beta --texroot=$PWD/tex
--extras="*t-simplesides*,t-tikz"
$@

in first-setup.sh fetches the latest module?

- Mohamed


2009/9/8 Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu>

> On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Mohamed Bana wrote:
>
>  i think this is a bug.
>>
>> system          : module HorizontalStripes loaded
>>
>> (/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/third/simple-slides/simpleslides-s-HorizontalStripes.tex
>> simpleslides    : loading HorizontalStripes style
>>
>>
> The log has some lines like this:
>
> mplib           : initializing instance 'metafun' using format 'metafun'
> mplib           : making 'metafun.mp' into
>
> '/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/d8cd2a1ce6fae081c3517d1b1e100ec3/formats/cont-en-metafun
> .mem'
> mplib           : problems with 'metafun.mp' from
>
> '/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/d8cd2a1ce6fae081c3517d1b1e100ec3/formats/cont-en-metafun
> .mem'
>
>
> Does a simple example with mplib work at your end?
>
> \starttext
> \startMPpage
> draw fullcircle scaled 3cm ;
> \stopMPpage
> \stoptext
>
> You can try to regenerate the metafun format.
>
>
> Aditya
>
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Re: status of minimals

[Mohamed Bana]

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can someone please confirm if
...
mtxrun --verbose --script ./bin/mtx-update.lua --update --make --force
--engine=all --context=beta --texroot=$PWD/tex
--extras="*t-simplesides*,t-tikz"
$@

in first-setup.sh fetches the latest module?

2009/9/8 Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu>

> On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Mohamed Bana wrote:
>
>  i think this is a bug.
>>
>> system          : module HorizontalStripes loaded
>>
>> (/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/third/simple-slides/simpleslides-s-HorizontalStripes.tex
>> simpleslides    : loading HorizontalStripes style
>>
>>
> The log has some lines like this:
>
> mplib           : initializing instance 'metafun' using format 'metafun'
> mplib           : making 'metafun.mp' into
>
> '/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/d8cd2a1ce6fae081c3517d1b1e100ec3/formats/cont-en-metafun
> .mem'
> mplib           : problems with 'metafun.mp' from
>
> '/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/d8cd2a1ce6fae081c3517d1b1e100ec3/formats/cont-en-metafun
> .mem'
>
>
> Does a simple example with mplib work at your end?
>
> \starttext
> \startMPpage
> draw fullcircle scaled 3cm ;
> \stopMPpage
> \stoptext
>
> You can try to regenerate the metafun format.
>
>
> Aditya
>
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Re: status of minimals

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 17:44, Mohamed Bana wrote:
> can someone please confirm if
> ...
> mtxrun --verbose --script ./bin/mtx-update.lua --update --make --force
> --engine=all --context=beta --texroot=$PWD/tex
> --extras="t-simplesides,t-tikz" $@
> in first-setup.sh fetches the latest module?

It's supposed to fetch the following version:
    http://minimals.contextgarden.net/current/modules/t-simpleslides/tex/context/third/simpleslides/
(around end of June)

Did we miss any version?

Mojca
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Re: status of minimals

[Mohamed Bana]

Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Sep 2009, Mohamed Bana wrote:
>
>> i think this is a bug.
>>
>> system          : module HorizontalStripes loaded
>> (/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/third/simple-slides/simpleslides-s-HorizontalStripes.tex 
>>
>> simpleslides    : loading HorizontalStripes style
>>
>
> The log has some lines like this:
>
> mplib           : initializing instance 'metafun' using format 'metafun'
> mplib           : making 'metafun.mp' into
> '/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/d8cd2a1ce6fae081c3517d1b1e100ec3/formats/cont-en-metafun 
>
> .mem'
> mplib           : problems with 'metafun.mp' from
> '/home/mbana/context.beta/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/d8cd2a1ce6fae081c3517d1b1e100ec3/formats/cont-en-metafun 
>
> .mem'
>
>
> Does a simple example with mplib work at your end?
>
> \starttext
> \startMPpage
> draw fullcircle scaled 3cm ;
> \stopMPpage
> \stoptext
>
> You can try to regenerate the metafun format.
no that results in an empty page.  aren't the formats generated when i 
run first-setup.sh?
>
> Aditya
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Re: status of minimals

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Mohamed Bana wrote:

>> Does a simple example with mplib work at your end?
>> 
>> \starttext
>> \startMPpage
>> draw fullcircle scaled 3cm ;
>> \stopMPpage
>> \stoptext
>> 
>> You can try to regenerate the metafun format.
> no that results in an empty page.  aren't the formats generated when i run 
> first-setup.sh?

They do, so I am guessing that something is going wrong. Can you try by 
redownloading first-setup.sh afresh and trying again?

Aditya
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Re: status of minimals

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 20:09, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Mohamed Bana wrote:
>
>> no that results in an empty page.  aren't the formats generated when i run
>> first-setup.sh?
>
> They do, so I am guessing that something is going wrong. Can you try by
> redownloading first-setup.sh afresh and trying again?

I seriously think that something is wrong with luatex formats (if I
remember correctly due to seemingly different paths).

Hans, would it be possible to generate metafun format on the fly, the
same way as luatex format? That would be the best solution.

But we need to figure out what exactly is or was wrong with luatex formats.

Mojca
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Re: status of minimals

[Hans Hagen]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 20:09, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Mohamed Bana wrote:
>>
>>> no that results in an empty page.  aren't the formats generated when i run
>>> first-setup.sh?
>> They do, so I am guessing that something is going wrong. Can you try by
>> redownloading first-setup.sh afresh and trying again?
> 
> I seriously think that something is wrong with luatex formats (if I
> remember correctly due to seemingly different paths).
> 
> Hans, would it be possible to generate metafun format on the fly, the
> same way as luatex format? That would be the best solution.

in tex.rb patch aroun dline 678:

             else
                 report("unable to make format due to lack of permissions")
                 texformatpath = ''
                 setvariable('error','no permissions to write')
             end
             if not mpsformats then
                 # we want metafun to be in sync
                 setvariable('mpsformats',defaultmpsformats)
                 mpsformats = validmpsformat(getarrayvariable('mpsformats'))
             end
         else
             texformatpath = ''
         end

so, add the "if not mpsformats then .. end"

Hans

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Re: status of minimals

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 13:33, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 20:09, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Mohamed Bana wrote:
>>>
>>>> no that results in an empty page.  aren't the formats generated when i
>>>> run
>>>> first-setup.sh?
>>>
>>> They do, so I am guessing that something is going wrong. Can you try by
>>> redownloading first-setup.sh afresh and trying again?
>>
>> I seriously think that something is wrong with luatex formats (if I
>> remember correctly due to seemingly different paths).
>>
>> Hans, would it be possible to generate metafun format on the fly, the
>> same way as luatex format? That would be the best solution.
>
> in tex.rb patch aroun dline 678:
>
>            else
>                report("unable to make format due to lack of permissions")
>                texformatpath = ''
>                setvariable('error','no permissions to write')
>            end
>            if not mpsformats then
>                # we want metafun to be in sync
>                setvariable('mpsformats',defaultmpsformats)
>                mpsformats = validmpsformat(getarrayvariable('mpsformats'))
>            end
>        else
>            texformatpath = ''
>        end
>
> so, add the "if not mpsformats then .. end"

Hello Hans,

Thanks a lot, but for some reason this doesn't help. I'll take a
closer look once I'm back (in October) for both mkii and mkiv.

Mojca

PS: I don't dare to claim anything, but from my faint memories I think
that metafun format doesn't regenerate once a new version of metapost
comes out (I may be wrong, I would need to test, this really happens
in extremely rare cases).

For mkii the above solution doesn't work in circumstances where I
expected it to work (or maybe I don't understand how it's supposed to
work), but I'll try to check later.

PPS: I need to test for the behaviour being claimed in this mail; once I'm back.
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Re: status of minimals

[Hans Hagen]

Hi (not yet back but back) Mojca,

> PS: I don't dare to claim anything, but from my faint memories I think
> that metafun format doesn't regenerate once a new version of metapost
> comes out (I may be wrong, I would need to test, this really happens
> in extremely rare cases).

in mkiv i check the version when i load metafun but in mkii this cannot 
be done conveniently (at least not at the cost of much more runtime)

> For mkii the above solution doesn't work in circumstances where I
> expected it to work (or maybe I don't understand how it's supposed to
> work), but I'll try to check later.

it should force a metafun remake whenever you remake a tex format

Hans

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