Minimals

Minimals

[Jörg Hagmann]

Installing the minimals on ubuntu works with "first-setup.sh" without 
remaking the formats, in both mkII and mkiv.

Installing them on my mac (10.5.8) (same procedure), mkii only works 
after remaking the formats, whereas remaking them for mkiv didn't help 
(Fatal Error     : Your format does not match the base files!).

Shouldn't first-setup.sh behave the same way on both computers?

Cheers, Jörg
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Re: Minimals

[Hans Hagen]

Jörg Hagmann wrote:
> Installing the minimals on ubuntu works with "first-setup.sh" without 
> remaking the formats, in both mkII and mkiv.
> 
> Installing them on my mac (10.5.8) (same procedure), mkii only works 
> after remaking the formats, whereas remaking them for mkiv didn't help 
> (Fatal Error     : Your format does not match the base files!).
> 
> Shouldn't first-setup.sh behave the same way on both computers?

yes

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Re: Minimals

[Aditya Mahajan]

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On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Jörg Hagmann wrote:

> Installing the minimals on ubuntu works with "first-setup.sh" without 
> remaking the formats, in both mkII and mkiv.
>
> Installing them on my mac (10.5.8) (same procedure), mkii only works after 
> remaking the formats, whereas remaking them for mkiv didn't help (Fatal Error 
> : Your format does not match the base files!).

Are you using the same shell in both. I vaguely remember that in some 
shells you need "source setuptex" while in others you need ". setuptex".

Aditya

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Re: Minimals

[Jörg Hagmann]

Yes, bash. And, as I said, after remaking the formats (shouldn't be 
necessary) mkii, but not mkiv, works on the mac. It's no problem for me: 
I never update the most recent working installation; I always install 
from scratch and only delete the old one when everything is working.

Cheers, Jörg

Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Jörg Hagmann wrote:
>
>> Installing the minimals on ubuntu works with "first-setup.sh" without 
>> remaking the formats, in both mkII and mkiv.
>>
>> Installing them on my mac (10.5.8) (same procedure), mkii only works 
>> after remaking the formats, whereas remaking them for mkiv didn't 
>> help (Fatal Error : Your format does not match the base files!).
>
> Are you using the same shell in both. I vaguely remember that in some 
> shells you need "source setuptex" while in others you need ". setuptex".
>
> Aditya
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Re: Minimals

[Aditya Mahajan]

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On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Jörg Hagmann wrote:

> Yes, bash. And, as I said, after remaking the formats (shouldn't be 
> necessary) mkii, but not mkiv, works on the mac.

You mean that on the mac:

luatools --generate
context  --make

does not create mkiv format. Do you get an error? Is the correct luatools 
being used? (i.e., does "which luatools" and "which luatex" point to the 
correct directory)

>It's no problem for me: I 
> never update the most recent working installation; I always install from 
> scratch and only delete the old one when everything is working.

Always a good idea.

Aditya

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Re: Minimals

[Jörg Hagmann]

>> Yes, bash. And, as I said, after remaking the formats (shouldn't be 
>> necessary) mkii, but not mkiv, works on the mac.
>
> You mean that on the mac:
>
> luatools --generate
> context  --make
Yes. And the error: Fatal Error     : Your format does not match the 
base files!
>
> does not create mkiv format. Do you get an error? Is the correct 
> luatools being used? (i.e., does "which luatools" and "which luatex" 
> point to the correct directory)
They exist and are found in texmf-osx-intel/bin

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Re: Minimals

[luigi scarso]

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On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Jörg Hagmann <joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch>wrote:

>
>  Yes, bash. And, as I said, after remaking the formats (shouldn't be
>>> necessary) mkii, but not mkiv, works on the mac.
>>>
>>
>> You mean that on the mac:
>>
>> luatools --generate
>> context  --make
>>
> Yes. And the error: Fatal Error     : Your format does not match the base
> files!
>
hmm -- I don't have osx , I have linux --
what about
$> find minimals-beta -name  "*.fmt"
?
Assuming minimals-beta as root dir, I have them only under the cache, ie
./tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/e2d590ed08d5bb7ce264a85c7599601d/formats


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Re: Minimals

[Jörg Hagmann]

luigi scarso wrote:
> hmm -- I don't have osx , I have linux --
> what about
> $> find minimals-beta -name  "*.fmt"
> ?
> Assuming minimals-beta as root dir, I have them only under the cache, ie
> ./tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/e2d590ed08d5bb7ce264a85c7599601d/formats
./texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/b111a13fc9cf27f239092c82f78b3124/formats/cont-en.fmt
./texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/b111a13fc9cf27f239092c82f78b3124/formats/cont-nl.fmt
./texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/b111a13fc9cf27f239092c82f78b3124/formats/mptopdf.fmt
./texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/b111a13fc9cf27f239092c82f78b3124/formats/plain.fmt
./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/pdftex/cont-en.fmt
./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/pdftex/cont-nl.fmt
./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/pdftex/mptopdf.fmt
./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/xetex/cont-en.fmt
./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/xetex/cont-nl.fmt

Jörg
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Re: Minimals

[luigi scarso]

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On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Jörg Hagmann <joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch>wrote:

>
>
> luigi scarso wrote:
>
>> hmm -- I don't have osx , I have linux --
>> what about
>> $> find minimals-beta -name  "*.fmt"
>> ?
>> Assuming minimals-beta as root dir, I have them only under the cache, ie
>>
>> ./tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/e2d590ed08d5bb7ce264a85c7599601d/formats
>>
>
> ./texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/b111a13fc9cf27f239092c82f78b3124/formats/cont-en.fmt
>
> ./texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/b111a13fc9cf27f239092c82f78b3124/formats/cont-nl.fmt
>
> ./texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/b111a13fc9cf27f239092c82f78b3124/formats/mptopdf.fmt
>
> ./texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/b111a13fc9cf27f239092c82f78b3124/formats/plain.fmt
> ./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/pdftex/cont-en.fmt
> ./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/pdftex/cont-nl.fmt
> ./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/pdftex/mptopdf.fmt
> ./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/xetex/cont-en.fmt
> ./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/xetex/cont-nl.fmt
>
>
ok put this in test.tex
 \starttext \input tufte \stoptext
Then delete  luatex-cache;
$> cd  ./tex/texmf-context/scripts/context/lua
$> context --generate
$> context --make

and try to
$>context test.tex

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Re: Minimals

[Jörg Hagmann]

luigi scarso wrote:
>
>     ok put this in test.tex
>      \starttext \input tufte \stoptext
>     Then delete  luatex-cache;
>     $> cd  ./tex/texmf-context/scripts/context/lua
>
why?
>
>     $> context --generate
>
luatools --generate?
>
>     $> context --make
>
mtx-context.lua:1358: attempt to call field 'extendbanner' (a nil value)
>
>
> and try to
> $>context test.tex
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Re: Minimals

[luigi scarso]

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On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Jörg Hagmann <joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch>wrote:

>
>
> luigi scarso wrote:
>
>>
>>    ok put this in test.tex
>>     \starttext \input tufte \stoptext
>>    Then delete  luatex-cache;
>>    $> cd  ./tex/texmf-context/scripts/context/lua
>>
>>  why?
>
Just to be sure; sometimes can be a path problem

>
>>    $> context --generate
>>
>>  luatools --generate?
>
>>
>> should be  the same, see context --help


>    $> context --make
>>
>>  mtx-context.lua:1358: attempt to call field 'extendbanner' (a nil value)

hmm , never see this.
I believe that if you make a fresh minimals install and you have the same
error,
it's a minimals problem.

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Re: Minimals

[Jörg Hagmann]

>
>
>     mtx-context.lua:1358: attempt to call field 'extendbanner' (a nil
>     value)
>
> hmm , never see this.
> I believe that if you make a fresh minimals install and you have the 
> same error,
> it's a minimals problem.
That's what I thought (I freshly installed twice). But I'll try again on 
Friday ...
Thanks everybody.
Jörg
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Re: Minimals

[luigi scarso]

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On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Jörg Hagmann <joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch>wrote:

>
>
>>
>>    mtx-context.lua:1358: attempt to call field 'extendbanner' (a nil
>>    value)
>>
>> hmm , never see this.
>> I believe that if you make a fresh minimals install and you have the same
>> error,
>> it's a minimals problem.
>>
> That's what I thought (I freshly installed twice). But I'll try again on
> Friday ...
> Thanks everybody.
>
let's know.
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Re: Minimals

[luigi scarso]

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On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:01 PM, luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Jörg Hagmann <joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>    mtx-context.lua:1358: attempt to call field 'extendbanner' (a nil
>>>    value)
>>>
>>> hmm , never see this.
>>> I believe that if you make a fresh minimals install and you have the same
>>> error,
>>> it's a minimals problem.
>>>
>> That's what I thought (I freshly installed twice). But I'll try again on
>> Friday ...
>> Thanks everybody.
>>
> let's know.
>
> sorry -- I mean: I think it's a bug, so
Let us know your progress

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Re: Minimals

[Mojca Miklavec]

Just a remark. I didn't touch the Mac binaries for a long while (and
my mac is already resting in peace, so I cannot test).
Have any new binaries been released in the meantime?

I usually remove the "--make" switch (or it may be enough to call
--keep switch once?) to prevent remaking formats at any given time if
no updates are there. Is it possible that the make switch is turned
out on your computer as well?

(Sorry, but I really cannot test what's going on on mac, though it's a
bit strange that it behaves differently.)

Mojca
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Re: Minimals

[luigi scarso]

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On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Mojca Miklavec <
mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just a remark. I didn't touch the Mac binaries for a long while (and
> my mac is already resting in peace, so I cannot test).
> Have any new binaries been released in the meantime?
>
> I usually remove the "--make" switch (or it may be enough to call
> --keep switch once?) to prevent remaking formats at any given time if
> no updates are there. Is it possible that the make switch is turned
> out on your computer as well?
>
> (Sorry, but I really cannot test what's going on on mac, though it's a
> bit strange that it behaves differently.)
>
> Mojca
>
Hi mojca
Did  you rested well in the shade of the pyramids?

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Re: Minimals

[Hans Hagen]

luigi scarso wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Jörg Hagmann <joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch 
> <mailto:joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>            mtx-context.lua:1358: attempt to call field 'extendbanner' (a nil
>            value)
> 
>         hmm , never see this.
>         I believe that if you make a fresh minimals install and you have
>         the same error,
>         it's a minimals problem.
> 
>     That's what I thought (I freshly installed twice). But I'll try
>     again on Friday ...
>     Thanks everybody.

can you search your disk (path) for other occurences of mtxrun and 
luatools?


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Re: Minimals

[Jörg Hagmann]

Hans Hagen wrote:
> can you search your disk (path) for other occurences of mtxrun and 
> luatools?
I have, in addition to the new attempt (context), the working 
installation I'm presently using (/Applications/newtex) and an older 
version (Applications/mytex). Both have their mtxrun and luatools:

./Applications/mytex/bin/mtxrun
./Applications/mytex/tex/texmf-osx-intel/bin/mtxrun
./Applications/newtex/bin/mtxrun
./Applications/newtex/tex/texmf-osx-intel/bin/mtxrun
./Users/bonasia/context/bin/mtxrun
./Users/bonasia/context/tex/texmf-context/scripts/context/stubs/unix/mtxrun
./Users/bonasia/context/tex/texmf-osx-intel/bin/mtxrun

I tried the new installation under /Applications and then in my home 
directory, with the procedure "sh ./first-setup.sh" method ("simple 
instructions for installing on Unix-like systems"), and got the same 
result, namely:

- For mkii the formats have to be made, but then it works
- For mkiv, luatools --selfupdat, mtxrun --selfupdate and context give:

bonasia:test$ luatools --selfupdate
LuaTools | fileio: to be replaced old script 
/Users/bonasia/context/tex/texmf-osx-intel/bin/luatools
LuaTools | fileio: unable to locate new script
LuaTools |
LuaTools | runtime: 0.051 seconds

bonasia:test$ mtxrun --selfupdate
MTXrun | fileio: to be replaced old script 
/Users/bonasia/context/tex/texmf-osx-intel/bin/mtxrun
MTXrun | fileio: unable to locate new script

bonasia:test$ context
MTXrun | unknown script 'context.lua' or 'mtx-context.lua'

Cheers, Jörg
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Re: Minimals (solved)

[Jörg Hagmann]

Mojca has sorted out my problems with minimal installations.  Since our 
correspondence was private, I would like to share the conclusions:

I had old and new installations and "source /path/oldtex/tex/setuptex 
/path/oldtex/tex" in the bash startup file (.profile or .bashrc). When I 
switched to the new installation, I changed TEXROOT (by source 
/path/newtex ...). This seems to generate a mixture of  TEX... 
variables, including some pointing to the "oldtex" installation.

Everything works fine if TEXROOT is set in a virgin shell that hasn't 
seen a "source ..." command yet.

According to Mojca, it's a bit more complicated. I copy her answer to my 
question, whether the above is correct:

Not completely. Copy and rename the old setuptex to the new
distribution or the new setuptex to the old distribution (you need to
rename it in order to prevent rewriting the file next time when you
use it) or use something like
    source /Applications/newtex/tex/setuptex ~/context/tex
and it should work.

Cheers, Jörg

Hans Hagen wrote:
> luigi scarso wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Jörg Hagmann <joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch 
>> <mailto:joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>            mtx-context.lua:1358: attempt to call field 'extendbanner' 
>> (a nil
>>            value)
>>
>>         hmm , never see this.
>>         I believe that if you make a fresh minimals install and you have
>>         the same error,
>>         it's a minimals problem.
>>
>>     That's what I thought (I freshly installed twice). But I'll try
>>     again on Friday ...
>>     Thanks everybody.
>
> can you search your disk (path) for other occurences of mtxrun and 
> luatools?
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Re: Minimals (solved)

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 16:54, Jörg Hagmann wrote:
> Mojca has sorted out my problems with minimal installations.  Since our
> correspondence was private, I would like to share the conclusions:
>
> I had old and new installations and "source /path/oldtex/tex/setuptex
> /path/oldtex/tex" in the bash startup file (.profile or .bashrc). When I
> switched to the new installation, I changed TEXROOT (by source /path/newtex
> ...). This seems to generate a mixture of  TEX... variables, including some
> pointing to the "oldtex" installation.
>
> Everything works fine if TEXROOT is set in a virgin shell that hasn't seen a
> "source ..." command yet.
>
> According to Mojca, it's a bit more complicated. I copy her answer to my
> question, whether the above is correct:
>
> Not completely. Copy and rename the old setuptex to the new
> distribution or the new setuptex to the old distribution (you need to
> rename it in order to prevent rewriting the file next time when you
> use it) or use something like
>   source /Applications/newtex/tex/setuptex ~/context/tex
> and it should work.

The reason for this weird behavior is that we removed almost all the
variables from setuptex back in May 2009.

This is just the contrary of what Hans tried to achieve several years
ago to overwrite the tetex's pollution with variables. Now that hardly
anyone uses tetex ... we didn't bother about that any more, but it is
still a problem if one sets up an old distribution in .bashrc and then
tries to use a new one. (In that case the old ConTeXt behaves just as
impolitely as tetex and hinders the ability to use the latest one.)

Mojca
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Re: Minimals (solved)

[Hans Hagen]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:

> The reason for this weird behavior is that we removed almost all the
> variables from setuptex back in May 2009.
> 
> This is just the contrary of what Hans tried to achieve several years
> ago to overwrite the tetex's pollution with variables. Now that hardly
> anyone uses tetex ... we didn't bother about that any more, but it is
> still a problem if one sets up an old distribution in .bashrc and then
> tries to use a new one. (In that case the old ConTeXt behaves just as
> impolitely as tetex and hinders the ability to use the latest one.)

so, maybe we can add an extra script that resets these variables?

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Re: Minimals (solved)

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 12:58, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>
>> The reason for this weird behavior is that we removed almost all the
>> variables from setuptex back in May 2009.
>>
>> This is just the contrary of what Hans tried to achieve several years
>> ago to overwrite the tetex's pollution with variables. Now that hardly
>> anyone uses tetex ... we didn't bother about that any more, but it is
>> still a problem if one sets up an old distribution in .bashrc and then
>> tries to use a new one. (In that case the old ConTeXt behaves just as
>> impolitely as tetex and hinders the ability to use the latest one.)
>
> so, maybe we can add an extra script that resets these variables?

I would prefer to leave an option to users to set those variables
themselves (at least to those who know what they are doing).

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Hi,

The current windows version on the garden is broken, so don't update for 
a few days. The binaries will be fixed asap (but these are not the 
easiest days for this kind of things).

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Re: minimals

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On 29-9-2012 09:25, Johan Sandblom wrote:
> It is indeed somewhat complicated. Changes are needed in first-setup.sh
> as well as in mtx-update.lua. To complicate matters, one of the first
> things that happens in first-setup.sh is to retrieve a fresh and
> unaltered mtx-update.lua. My naïve recipe follows:
>
> 1. change contextgarden.net to metatex.org on line 99 of first-setup.sh
> 2. run once, which fails, but updates mtx-update.lua
> 3. comment out line 99 of first-setup.sh, to prevent further updates of
> scripts
> 4. change line 534 of mtx-update.lua to contain metatex.org instead of
> contextgarden.net
>
> run first-update.sh again, this time hopfully with success.
>
> May I suggest that the version of mtx-update.lua that can be retrieved
> from metatex.org contains references to that server and not
> contextgarden.net. I realize that then it is no longer a mirror, but on
> the other hand it may be useful when contextgarden is down.

One of these days the minimals repository will be moved to the machine 
that runs the garden. After that we will change the scripts to find an 
active mirror. (if you do have the basic bin dir alrwady you can use 
another mirror with --server=...)

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Re: minimals

[Johan Sandblom]

It is indeed somewhat complicated. Changes are needed in first-setup.sh 
as well as in mtx-update.lua. To complicate matters, one of the first 
things that happens in first-setup.sh is to retrieve a fresh and 
unaltered mtx-update.lua. My naïve recipe follows:

1. change contextgarden.net to metatex.org on line 99 of first-setup.sh
2. run once, which fails, but updates mtx-update.lua
3. comment out line 99 of first-setup.sh, to prevent further updates of 
scripts
4. change line 534 of mtx-update.lua to contain metatex.org instead of 
contextgarden.net

run first-update.sh again, this time hopfully with success.

May I suggest that the version of mtx-update.lua that can be retrieved 
from metatex.org contains references to that server and not 
contextgarden.net. I realize that then it is no longer a mirror, but on 
the other hand it may be useful when contextgarden is down.

Johan

2012-09-29 03:20 skrev Mica Semrick:
> I may be dumb... but I can't figure out how to change the mirror.
> minimals.contextgarden.net [1] seems to be hard-coded in a number of
> places. Help please?
>
> Best,
> Mica
>
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Mojca Miklavec
> <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Is minimals.contextgarden.net [1] offline?
>>
>> Until we figure out what exactly is wrong one can use the mirror:
>>
>> rsync://metatex.org/minimals/ [2]
>> http://minimals.metatex.org/ [3]
>>
>> Mojca
>>
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> Links:
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I may be dumb... but I can't figure out how to change the mirror.
minimals.contextgarden.net seems to be hard-coded in a number of places.
Help please?

Best,
Mica

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Mojca Miklavec <
mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is minimals.contextgarden.net offline?
>
> Until we figure out what exactly is wrong one can use the mirror:
>
> rsync://metatex.org/minimals/
> http://minimals.metatex.org/
>
> Mojca
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Re: minimals

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is minimals.contextgarden.net offline?

Until we figure out what exactly is wrong one can use the mirror:

rsync://metatex.org/minimals/
http://minimals.metatex.org/

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Hi,

Is minimals.contextgarden.net offline?

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Hi,

I uploaded a new beta but please don't update the minimals as it looks 
like the texmf-context/tex tree gets lost on the server

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Re: Minimals

[luigi scarso]

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> wrote:
> On 03/13/2011 08:42 AM, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
>>
>> On Sunday 13 March 2011 07:25:03 luigi scarso wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Pontus Lurcock<pont@talvi.net>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sat 12 Mar 2011, mathew wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> My experience on Ubuntu is that if you install the ConTeXt minimals
>>>>> in your path, they break a bunch of stuff from TeXLive, such as
>>>>> pdfcrop.
>>>>
>>>> I have the minimals installed but with no automatic setup in .bashrc
>>>> or similar. So when I need to run ConTeXt, I fire up a new terminal
>>>> and explicitly ‘source /path/to/minimals/context/tex/setuptex’ before
>>>> doing anything else. Anything I run in a different terminal just gets
>>>> the standard paths for the system's TeXLive installation.
>>>
>>> this is the right way to work with minimals (in linux is easy than
>>> windows).
>>
>> Except if one works principly with ConTeXt, in which case it is much
>> nicer to have /path/to/minimials by default in PATH.
>>
>> I do the opposite: if ever I need to use latex (lualatex!),
>
> If I need lualatex, I just push the TeXLive bin directory to the front
> of my path. (exact opposite of Pontus' approach).
ah ok, now I see.
My PATH env var. has not a TeXLive or minimals path by default.
Every time I need a TeXLive or minimals, I open a shell and setup the its path
and I never mix the paths --- just open another shell in another
working spaces (In linux I use 16 working spaces)
or another tab in gnome-terminal.
In this way I can work with different TeXLive and different minimals
For example I have under /opt/luatex/texlive
2008
2008-texmf-local
2009
2009-texmf-local
2010
2010-texmf-local

and ~10 different minimals under opt/luatex


Of course this can be a problem with editors that expect just one
path, but I use emacs, so...

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Re: Minimals

[Taco Hoekwater]

On 03/13/2011 08:42 AM, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
> On Sunday 13 March 2011 07:25:03 luigi scarso wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Pontus Lurcock<pont@talvi.net>  wrote:
>>> On Sat 12 Mar 2011, mathew wrote:
>>>> My experience on Ubuntu is that if you install the ConTeXt minimals
>>>> in your path, they break a bunch of stuff from TeXLive, such as
>>>> pdfcrop.
>>>
>>> I have the minimals installed but with no automatic setup in .bashrc
>>> or similar. So when I need to run ConTeXt, I fire up a new terminal
>>> and explicitly ‘source /path/to/minimals/context/tex/setuptex’ before
>>> doing anything else. Anything I run in a different terminal just gets
>>> the standard paths for the system's TeXLive installation.
>>
>> this is the right way to work with minimals (in linux is easy than
>> windows).
>
> Except if one works principly with ConTeXt, in which case it is much
> nicer to have /path/to/minimials by default in PATH.
>
> I do the opposite: if ever I need to use latex (lualatex!),

If I need lualatex, I just push the TeXLive bin directory to the front
of my path. (exact opposite of Pontus' approach).

Best wishes,
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Re: minimals

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On 16-6-2010 1:17, Otared Kavian wrote:
>
> On 15 juin 2010, at 23:43, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>
>> do others on the mac observe the same?
>>
>> Hans
>>
>
> Hi Hans,
>
> I just updated to the latest minimal, and everything works perfectly on my MacBook Pro running Mac OS X 10.6.3.
> I get:
> LuaTeX version 60, LuaTeX revision 1, (LuaTeX date stamp 2010042810),
> ConTeXt version 2010.06.15 17:06.
>
> I haven't noticed any kerning problems with the usual fonts I use, and the issue reported by Thomas S. doesn't show up for me.
>
> However, I notice that the version I have runs much faster than the previous ones, especially in mkii mode: is this because you have done something magic, or am I being too tired and slow minded? :-)

a few path definitions are optimized which might make kpse faster (mkii 
uses kpse); the minimal trees are definitely faster than a full tex 
install (way less files)

also, mtxrun is the official stub for all scripts (replacing the ruby 
texmfstart) it might also be faster in the startup

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[Otared Kavian]

On 15 juin 2010, at 23:43, Hans Hagen wrote:
> 
> do others on the mac observe the same?
> 
> Hans
> 

Hi Hans, 

I just updated to the latest minimal, and everything works perfectly on my MacBook Pro running Mac OS X 10.6.3.
I get:
LuaTeX version 60, LuaTeX revision 1, (LuaTeX date stamp 2010042810),  
ConTeXt version 2010.06.15 17:06.

I haven't noticed any kerning problems with the usual fonts I use, and the issue reported by Thomas S. doesn't show up for me.

However, I notice that the version I have runs much faster than the previous ones, especially in mkii mode: is this because you have done something magic, or am I being too tired and slow minded? :-)

In any case, many many thanks…

Best regards: OK
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On 15-6-2010 7:48, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
>
> On Jun 15, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>> you can give it a try
>
> What about the
>
> cannot open tree:////Users/tas/texmf/: No such file or directory

do others on the mac observe the same?

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Re: minimals

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On 15-6-2010 8:03, Bernhard Rosensteiner wrote:
> Am 15.06.2010 um 19:41 schrieb luigi scarso:
>
>> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Hans Hagen<pragma@wxs.nl>  wrote:
>>> you can give it a try
>> It looks ok on my linux 32bit  box
>> --
>> luigi
>
> on mac snow leopard it works again. Kerning on Adobe Fonts is also ok now, however it is not exactly the same as before. Letters attached to T are to near. See:

looks different here, so it's hard to check without your test file

did you erase the font cache?

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Re: minimals

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Jun 15, 2010, at 8:11 PM, Michael Murphy wrote:

> Does the directory exist? If there is nothing important there, just delete it.

It's my HOMETEXMF tree...
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Re: minimals

[Michael Murphy]

On 15/06/2010 19:48, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
>
> On Jun 15, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>> you can give it a try
>
> What about the
>
> cannot open tree:////Users/tas/texmf/: No such file or directory
>
> error? I'm still getting it...

Does the directory exist? If there is nothing important there, just 
delete it.

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Re: minimals

[Bernhard Rosensteiner]

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Am 15.06.2010 um 19:41 schrieb luigi scarso:

> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>> you can give it a try
> It looks ok on my linux 32bit  box
> -- 
> luigi

on mac snow leopard it works again. Kerning on Adobe Fonts is also ok now, however it is not exactly the same as before. Letters attached to T are to near. See:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2082519/Typescript_Test_2.pdf

best regards
Bernhard

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Re: minimals

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Jun 15, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

> you can give it a try

What about the 

cannot open tree:////Users/tas/texmf/: No such file or directory

error? I'm still getting it...

Thomas
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Re: minimals

[luigi scarso]

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> you can give it a try
It looks ok on my linux 32bit  box
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Re: minimals

[Hans Hagen]

On 15-6-2010 10:05, Martin 'golodhrim' Scholz wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:18:05 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> i'm experimenting with the minimals so best not update now
>>
>> (i need to do tests that i cannot do locally)
>>
>> Hans
>
> Hi Hans,
>
> can you let us know when it is save again to start an update?

you can give it a try

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Re: minimals

[Hans Hagen]

On 15-6-2010 10:05, Martin 'golodhrim' Scholz wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:18:05 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> i'm experimenting with the minimals so best not update now
>>
>> (i need to do tests that i cannot do locally)
>>
>> Hans
>
> Hi Hans,
>
> can you let us know when it is save again to start an update?

sure, i nailed down the problem to a patch for tex live that taco and i 
cooked up last weekend and that somehow works there but spoils the 
current beta

Hans

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Re: minimals

[Martin 'golodhrim' Scholz]

On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:18:05 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> i'm experimenting with the minimals so best not update now
> 
> (i need to do tests that i cannot do locally)
> 
> Hans

Hi Hans,

can you let us know when it is save again to start an update?

Greetings



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minimals

[Hans Hagen]

Hi,

i'm experimenting with the minimals so best not update now

(i need to do tests that i cannot do locally)

Hans
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