Re: Scite + non-global environbment variables

Re: Scite + non-global environbment variables

[Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini]

Hallo Wolfgang,

> I have just started with Context, having been working with LaTeX
> (i.e. MikTeX / TeXnicCenter under WIndows) for quite a while.
> 
> I installed Contextminimal and Scite just as proposed as the easiest
> way to get started. As setting global environments variables would
> interfere with MikTeX, I switched off this option during the
> installation process (in the GUI Windows installation program).
> 
> But now I cannot easily start the compilation by pressing Crtl+1 in
> Scite, bcause this just calls the compiler and the environment
> variables are of course not set for this process. So which file do I
> have to change to make Scite call the batch file which sets the
> environments variables before it calls the compiler?
> 
> What global Context environment variables would possibly interfere
> with MikTeX?
> 
> Greatings from M?nster
> Wolfgang Hugemann

you should not have any global Context environment variables, because 
you call cscite.bat (setuptex.bat is called then before scite is 
started).
The problems I see are miktex executables which are in the PATH and 
can interfere with their context aequivalents.
How exactly are you starting scite?

Wolfgang
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Re: Scite + non-global environbment variables

[Wolfgang Hugemann]

> you should not have any global Context environment variables, because 
> you call cscite.bat (setuptex.bat is called then before scite is 
> started).
> The problems I see are miktex executables which are in the PATH and 
> can interfere with their context equivalents.
> How exactly are you starting scite?

Well, I just ran scite.exe. OK, I downloaded cscite.bat now. Is there 
somewhere any explanation with what parameters to call this batch? I 
could not find such a documentation and the batch is by far not 
self-explaning. (This is a really frustrating start with ConTeXt; I hope 
it doesn't stay like this.)

Greetings from Muenster
Wolfgang Hugeamnn
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Re: Scite + non-global environbment variables

[Hans Hagen]

Wolfgang Hugemann wrote:
>> you should not have any global Context environment variables, because 
>> you call cscite.bat (setuptex.bat is called then before scite is 
>> started).
>> The problems I see are miktex executables which are in the PATH and 
>> can interfere with their context equivalents.
>> How exactly are you starting scite?
> 
> Well, I just ran scite.exe. OK, I downloaded cscite.bat now. Is there 
> somewhere any explanation with what parameters to call this batch? I 
> could not find such a documentation and the batch is by far not 
> self-explaning. (This is a really frustrating start with ConTeXt; I hope 
> it doesn't stay like this.)

well, editor support is just a bonus

i still have to upgrade the scite related files to the new minimals

(we did some tests at the context conference with this; one problem is 
that one needs to adapt user specific files (in user space) on top of 
globally used setup files)

Hans


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Re: Scite + non-global environbment variables

[Wolfgang Hugemann]

> well, editor support is just a bonus
> 
> i still have to upgrade the scite related files to the new minimals
> 
> (we did some tests at the context conference with this; one problem is 
> that one needs to adapt user specific files (in user space) on top of 
> globally used setup files)
> 
> Hans

I finally decided to allow for global environment variables during the 
installation (possibly interfering with my MikTeX installation; I 
haven't checked yet) and than it functioned just as easy a proclaimed.

I seems to me that waiving global environment variables is something 
almost impossible for a beginner. I ran into a lot of errors obiously 
originating from unknown paths.

I think the Windows installation should warn somewhat more drastical on 
skipping global environment variables...

Thanks from Münster
Wolfgang Hugemann
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Re: Scite + non-global environbment variables

[Mari Voipio]

Wolfgang Hugemann wrote:
> I seems to me that waiving global environment variables is something 
> almost impossible for a beginner. I ran into a lot of errors obiously 
> originating from unknown paths.

I literally just found out that even though I had allowed the installer 
to set global environment variables and added the necessary user 
specific settings (copied the few .properties files to user profile), I 
couldn't get my ConTeXt to work under a different user name on a Vista 
Business computer that already has a working ConTeXt+SciTe combo.

The funniest thing is that the second username/login is the more 
powerful one, so this wasn't about missing admin rights or anything like 
that.

When I reran the installer (I used Vyatscheslav's Windows installer) and 
thus got updated minimals, ConTeXt started working also with a new 
username. ...I don't know if it broke the original one and I won't care 
for now - the important thing is that now somebody else can use ConTeXt 
on that computer while I'm not at it.


So even "global" doesn't seem to be *so* global. Some more 
investigations are needed at some point, I suspect.


Mari
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Re: Scite + non-global environbment variables

[Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini]

> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:39:00 +0100
> From: Wolfgang Hugemann <Auto@Hugemann.de>
> To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
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> variables
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> > Look at the label ':help' in 'cscite.bat'.
> 
> I had done this already. All that is says is
> echo usage: cscite root, e.g. cscite d:\copyofcdrom
> leaving you with the question which root of what is meant.
> 
> I tested the root directory of context "C:\Programme\contextminimal"

This is right!

> It seems like I need another hint.

YOU have to give some hints!
What are you doing? What is happening?

Gruß, Wolfgang

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Re: Scite + non-global environbment variables

[Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini]

> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:24:37 +0200
> From: Wolfgang Hugemann <Auto@Hugemann.de>
> To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
> Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Scite + non-global environbment
> variables
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> 
> > you should not have any global Context environment variables,
> > because you call cscite.bat (setuptex.bat is called then before > > > scite is started).
> > The problems I see are miktex executables which are in the PATH
> > and can interfere with their context equivalents.
> > How exactly are you starting scite?
> 
> Well, I just ran scite.exe. OK, I downloaded cscite.bat now. Is
> there 
> somewhere any explanation with what parameters to call this batch? 
> I could not find such a documentation and the batch is by far not 
> self-explaning. (This is a really frustrating start with ConTeXt; I
> hope it doesn't stay like this.)

Look at the label ':help' in 'cscite.bat'.

Wolfgang

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Re: Scite + non-global environbment variables

[Wolfgang Hugemann]

> Look at the label ':help' in 'cscite.bat'.

I had done this already. All that is says is
echo usage: cscite root, e.g. cscite d:\copyofcdrom
leaving you with the question which root of what is meant.

I tested the root directory of context "C:\Programme\contextminimal" and 
the root directory of scite, i.e. "C:\Programme\wscite", neither of them 
worked.

It seems like I need another hint.

Woilfgang Hugemann


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Re: Scite + non-global environbment variables

[Mari Voipio]

Wolfgang Hugemann wrote:
> It seems like I need another hint.

I don't know if this counts as another hint - you may have used this one 
up already - but just in case it is:

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Simple_Windows_Installation


It is based on stuff done at the ConTeXt Meeting two months ago and thus 
fairly accurate at this time. Courtesy to Hans, of course!



Mari
just a Windows dummy
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Scite + non-global environbment variables

[Wolfgang Hugemann]

Hello to everybody,

I have just started with Context, having been working with LaTeX (i.e. MikTeX / TeXnicCenter under WIndows) for quite a while.

I installed Contextminimal and Scite just as proposed as the easiest way to get started. As setting global environments variables would interfere with MikTeX, I switched off this option during the installation process (in the GUI Windows installation program).

But now I cannot easily start the compilation by pressing Crtl+1 in Scite, bcause this just calls the compiler and the environment variables are of course not set for this process. So which file do I have to change to make Scite call the batch file which sets the environments variables before it calls the compiler?

What global Context environment variables would possibly interfere with MikTeX?

Greatings from Münster
Wolfgang Hugemann

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