Minimals

Minimals

[Jörg Hagmann]

Installing the minimals on ubuntu works with "first-setup.sh" without 
remaking the formats, in both mkII and mkiv.

Installing them on my mac (10.5.8) (same procedure), mkii only works 
after remaking the formats, whereas remaking them for mkiv didn't help 
(Fatal Error     : Your format does not match the base files!).

Shouldn't first-setup.sh behave the same way on both computers?

Cheers, Jörg
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Re: Minimals

[Hans Hagen]

Jörg Hagmann wrote:
> Installing the minimals on ubuntu works with "first-setup.sh" without 
> remaking the formats, in both mkII and mkiv.
> 
> Installing them on my mac (10.5.8) (same procedure), mkii only works 
> after remaking the formats, whereas remaking them for mkiv didn't help 
> (Fatal Error     : Your format does not match the base files!).
> 
> Shouldn't first-setup.sh behave the same way on both computers?

yes

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Re: Minimals

[Aditya Mahajan]

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On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Jörg Hagmann wrote:

> Installing the minimals on ubuntu works with "first-setup.sh" without 
> remaking the formats, in both mkII and mkiv.
>
> Installing them on my mac (10.5.8) (same procedure), mkii only works after 
> remaking the formats, whereas remaking them for mkiv didn't help (Fatal Error 
> : Your format does not match the base files!).

Are you using the same shell in both. I vaguely remember that in some 
shells you need "source setuptex" while in others you need ". setuptex".

Aditya

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Re: Minimals

[Jörg Hagmann]

Yes, bash. And, as I said, after remaking the formats (shouldn't be 
necessary) mkii, but not mkiv, works on the mac. It's no problem for me: 
I never update the most recent working installation; I always install 
from scratch and only delete the old one when everything is working.

Cheers, Jörg

Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Jörg Hagmann wrote:
>
>> Installing the minimals on ubuntu works with "first-setup.sh" without 
>> remaking the formats, in both mkII and mkiv.
>>
>> Installing them on my mac (10.5.8) (same procedure), mkii only works 
>> after remaking the formats, whereas remaking them for mkiv didn't 
>> help (Fatal Error : Your format does not match the base files!).
>
> Are you using the same shell in both. I vaguely remember that in some 
> shells you need "source setuptex" while in others you need ". setuptex".
>
> Aditya
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Re: Minimals

[Aditya Mahajan]

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On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Jörg Hagmann wrote:

> Yes, bash. And, as I said, after remaking the formats (shouldn't be 
> necessary) mkii, but not mkiv, works on the mac.

You mean that on the mac:

luatools --generate
context  --make

does not create mkiv format. Do you get an error? Is the correct luatools 
being used? (i.e., does "which luatools" and "which luatex" point to the 
correct directory)

>It's no problem for me: I 
> never update the most recent working installation; I always install from 
> scratch and only delete the old one when everything is working.

Always a good idea.

Aditya

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Re: Minimals

[Jörg Hagmann]

>> Yes, bash. And, as I said, after remaking the formats (shouldn't be 
>> necessary) mkii, but not mkiv, works on the mac.
>
> You mean that on the mac:
>
> luatools --generate
> context  --make
Yes. And the error: Fatal Error     : Your format does not match the 
base files!
>
> does not create mkiv format. Do you get an error? Is the correct 
> luatools being used? (i.e., does "which luatools" and "which luatex" 
> point to the correct directory)
They exist and are found in texmf-osx-intel/bin

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Re: Minimals

[luigi scarso]

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On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Jörg Hagmann <joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch>wrote:

>
>  Yes, bash. And, as I said, after remaking the formats (shouldn't be
>>> necessary) mkii, but not mkiv, works on the mac.
>>>
>>
>> You mean that on the mac:
>>
>> luatools --generate
>> context  --make
>>
> Yes. And the error: Fatal Error     : Your format does not match the base
> files!
>
hmm -- I don't have osx , I have linux --
what about
$> find minimals-beta -name  "*.fmt"
?
Assuming minimals-beta as root dir, I have them only under the cache, ie
./tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/e2d590ed08d5bb7ce264a85c7599601d/formats


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Re: Minimals

[Jörg Hagmann]

luigi scarso wrote:
> hmm -- I don't have osx , I have linux --
> what about
> $> find minimals-beta -name  "*.fmt"
> ?
> Assuming minimals-beta as root dir, I have them only under the cache, ie
> ./tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/e2d590ed08d5bb7ce264a85c7599601d/formats
./texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/b111a13fc9cf27f239092c82f78b3124/formats/cont-en.fmt
./texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/b111a13fc9cf27f239092c82f78b3124/formats/cont-nl.fmt
./texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/b111a13fc9cf27f239092c82f78b3124/formats/mptopdf.fmt
./texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/b111a13fc9cf27f239092c82f78b3124/formats/plain.fmt
./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/pdftex/cont-en.fmt
./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/pdftex/cont-nl.fmt
./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/pdftex/mptopdf.fmt
./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/xetex/cont-en.fmt
./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/xetex/cont-nl.fmt

Jörg
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Re: Minimals

[luigi scarso]

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On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Jörg Hagmann <joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch>wrote:

>
>
> luigi scarso wrote:
>
>> hmm -- I don't have osx , I have linux --
>> what about
>> $> find minimals-beta -name  "*.fmt"
>> ?
>> Assuming minimals-beta as root dir, I have them only under the cache, ie
>>
>> ./tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/e2d590ed08d5bb7ce264a85c7599601d/formats
>>
>
> ./texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/b111a13fc9cf27f239092c82f78b3124/formats/cont-en.fmt
>
> ./texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/b111a13fc9cf27f239092c82f78b3124/formats/cont-nl.fmt
>
> ./texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/b111a13fc9cf27f239092c82f78b3124/formats/mptopdf.fmt
>
> ./texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/b111a13fc9cf27f239092c82f78b3124/formats/plain.fmt
> ./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/pdftex/cont-en.fmt
> ./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/pdftex/cont-nl.fmt
> ./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/pdftex/mptopdf.fmt
> ./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/xetex/cont-en.fmt
> ./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/xetex/cont-nl.fmt
>
>
ok put this in test.tex
 \starttext \input tufte \stoptext
Then delete  luatex-cache;
$> cd  ./tex/texmf-context/scripts/context/lua
$> context --generate
$> context --make

and try to
$>context test.tex

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Re: Minimals

[Jörg Hagmann]

luigi scarso wrote:
>
>     ok put this in test.tex
>      \starttext \input tufte \stoptext
>     Then delete  luatex-cache;
>     $> cd  ./tex/texmf-context/scripts/context/lua
>
why?
>
>     $> context --generate
>
luatools --generate?
>
>     $> context --make
>
mtx-context.lua:1358: attempt to call field 'extendbanner' (a nil value)
>
>
> and try to
> $>context test.tex
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Re: Minimals

[luigi scarso]

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On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Jörg Hagmann <joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch>wrote:

>
>
> luigi scarso wrote:
>
>>
>>    ok put this in test.tex
>>     \starttext \input tufte \stoptext
>>    Then delete  luatex-cache;
>>    $> cd  ./tex/texmf-context/scripts/context/lua
>>
>>  why?
>
Just to be sure; sometimes can be a path problem

>
>>    $> context --generate
>>
>>  luatools --generate?
>
>>
>> should be  the same, see context --help


>    $> context --make
>>
>>  mtx-context.lua:1358: attempt to call field 'extendbanner' (a nil value)

hmm , never see this.
I believe that if you make a fresh minimals install and you have the same
error,
it's a minimals problem.

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Re: Minimals

[Jörg Hagmann]

>
>
>     mtx-context.lua:1358: attempt to call field 'extendbanner' (a nil
>     value)
>
> hmm , never see this.
> I believe that if you make a fresh minimals install and you have the 
> same error,
> it's a minimals problem.
That's what I thought (I freshly installed twice). But I'll try again on 
Friday ...
Thanks everybody.
Jörg
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Re: Minimals

[luigi scarso]

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On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Jörg Hagmann <joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch>wrote:

>
>
>>
>>    mtx-context.lua:1358: attempt to call field 'extendbanner' (a nil
>>    value)
>>
>> hmm , never see this.
>> I believe that if you make a fresh minimals install and you have the same
>> error,
>> it's a minimals problem.
>>
> That's what I thought (I freshly installed twice). But I'll try again on
> Friday ...
> Thanks everybody.
>
let's know.
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Re: Minimals

[luigi scarso]

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On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:01 PM, luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Jörg Hagmann <joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>    mtx-context.lua:1358: attempt to call field 'extendbanner' (a nil
>>>    value)
>>>
>>> hmm , never see this.
>>> I believe that if you make a fresh minimals install and you have the same
>>> error,
>>> it's a minimals problem.
>>>
>> That's what I thought (I freshly installed twice). But I'll try again on
>> Friday ...
>> Thanks everybody.
>>
> let's know.
>
> sorry -- I mean: I think it's a bug, so
Let us know your progress

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Re: Minimals

[Mojca Miklavec]

Just a remark. I didn't touch the Mac binaries for a long while (and
my mac is already resting in peace, so I cannot test).
Have any new binaries been released in the meantime?

I usually remove the "--make" switch (or it may be enough to call
--keep switch once?) to prevent remaking formats at any given time if
no updates are there. Is it possible that the make switch is turned
out on your computer as well?

(Sorry, but I really cannot test what's going on on mac, though it's a
bit strange that it behaves differently.)

Mojca
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Re: Minimals

[luigi scarso]

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On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Mojca Miklavec <
mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just a remark. I didn't touch the Mac binaries for a long while (and
> my mac is already resting in peace, so I cannot test).
> Have any new binaries been released in the meantime?
>
> I usually remove the "--make" switch (or it may be enough to call
> --keep switch once?) to prevent remaking formats at any given time if
> no updates are there. Is it possible that the make switch is turned
> out on your computer as well?
>
> (Sorry, but I really cannot test what's going on on mac, though it's a
> bit strange that it behaves differently.)
>
> Mojca
>
Hi mojca
Did  you rested well in the shade of the pyramids?

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Re: Minimals

[Hans Hagen]

luigi scarso wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Jörg Hagmann <joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch 
> <mailto:joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>            mtx-context.lua:1358: attempt to call field 'extendbanner' (a nil
>            value)
> 
>         hmm , never see this.
>         I believe that if you make a fresh minimals install and you have
>         the same error,
>         it's a minimals problem.
> 
>     That's what I thought (I freshly installed twice). But I'll try
>     again on Friday ...
>     Thanks everybody.

can you search your disk (path) for other occurences of mtxrun and 
luatools?


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Re: Minimals

[Jörg Hagmann]

Hans Hagen wrote:
> can you search your disk (path) for other occurences of mtxrun and 
> luatools?
I have, in addition to the new attempt (context), the working 
installation I'm presently using (/Applications/newtex) and an older 
version (Applications/mytex). Both have their mtxrun and luatools:

./Applications/mytex/bin/mtxrun
./Applications/mytex/tex/texmf-osx-intel/bin/mtxrun
./Applications/newtex/bin/mtxrun
./Applications/newtex/tex/texmf-osx-intel/bin/mtxrun
./Users/bonasia/context/bin/mtxrun
./Users/bonasia/context/tex/texmf-context/scripts/context/stubs/unix/mtxrun
./Users/bonasia/context/tex/texmf-osx-intel/bin/mtxrun

I tried the new installation under /Applications and then in my home 
directory, with the procedure "sh ./first-setup.sh" method ("simple 
instructions for installing on Unix-like systems"), and got the same 
result, namely:

- For mkii the formats have to be made, but then it works
- For mkiv, luatools --selfupdat, mtxrun --selfupdate and context give:

bonasia:test$ luatools --selfupdate
LuaTools | fileio: to be replaced old script 
/Users/bonasia/context/tex/texmf-osx-intel/bin/luatools
LuaTools | fileio: unable to locate new script
LuaTools |
LuaTools | runtime: 0.051 seconds

bonasia:test$ mtxrun --selfupdate
MTXrun | fileio: to be replaced old script 
/Users/bonasia/context/tex/texmf-osx-intel/bin/mtxrun
MTXrun | fileio: unable to locate new script

bonasia:test$ context
MTXrun | unknown script 'context.lua' or 'mtx-context.lua'

Cheers, Jörg
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Re: Minimals (solved)

[Jörg Hagmann]

Mojca has sorted out my problems with minimal installations.  Since our 
correspondence was private, I would like to share the conclusions:

I had old and new installations and "source /path/oldtex/tex/setuptex 
/path/oldtex/tex" in the bash startup file (.profile or .bashrc). When I 
switched to the new installation, I changed TEXROOT (by source 
/path/newtex ...). This seems to generate a mixture of  TEX... 
variables, including some pointing to the "oldtex" installation.

Everything works fine if TEXROOT is set in a virgin shell that hasn't 
seen a "source ..." command yet.

According to Mojca, it's a bit more complicated. I copy her answer to my 
question, whether the above is correct:

Not completely. Copy and rename the old setuptex to the new
distribution or the new setuptex to the old distribution (you need to
rename it in order to prevent rewriting the file next time when you
use it) or use something like
    source /Applications/newtex/tex/setuptex ~/context/tex
and it should work.

Cheers, Jörg

Hans Hagen wrote:
> luigi scarso wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Jörg Hagmann <joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch 
>> <mailto:joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>            mtx-context.lua:1358: attempt to call field 'extendbanner' 
>> (a nil
>>            value)
>>
>>         hmm , never see this.
>>         I believe that if you make a fresh minimals install and you have
>>         the same error,
>>         it's a minimals problem.
>>
>>     That's what I thought (I freshly installed twice). But I'll try
>>     again on Friday ...
>>     Thanks everybody.
>
> can you search your disk (path) for other occurences of mtxrun and 
> luatools?
>
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Re: Minimals (solved)

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 16:54, Jörg Hagmann wrote:
> Mojca has sorted out my problems with minimal installations.  Since our
> correspondence was private, I would like to share the conclusions:
>
> I had old and new installations and "source /path/oldtex/tex/setuptex
> /path/oldtex/tex" in the bash startup file (.profile or .bashrc). When I
> switched to the new installation, I changed TEXROOT (by source /path/newtex
> ...). This seems to generate a mixture of  TEX... variables, including some
> pointing to the "oldtex" installation.
>
> Everything works fine if TEXROOT is set in a virgin shell that hasn't seen a
> "source ..." command yet.
>
> According to Mojca, it's a bit more complicated. I copy her answer to my
> question, whether the above is correct:
>
> Not completely. Copy and rename the old setuptex to the new
> distribution or the new setuptex to the old distribution (you need to
> rename it in order to prevent rewriting the file next time when you
> use it) or use something like
>   source /Applications/newtex/tex/setuptex ~/context/tex
> and it should work.

The reason for this weird behavior is that we removed almost all the
variables from setuptex back in May 2009.

This is just the contrary of what Hans tried to achieve several years
ago to overwrite the tetex's pollution with variables. Now that hardly
anyone uses tetex ... we didn't bother about that any more, but it is
still a problem if one sets up an old distribution in .bashrc and then
tries to use a new one. (In that case the old ConTeXt behaves just as
impolitely as tetex and hinders the ability to use the latest one.)

Mojca
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Re: Minimals (solved)

[Hans Hagen]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:

> The reason for this weird behavior is that we removed almost all the
> variables from setuptex back in May 2009.
> 
> This is just the contrary of what Hans tried to achieve several years
> ago to overwrite the tetex's pollution with variables. Now that hardly
> anyone uses tetex ... we didn't bother about that any more, but it is
> still a problem if one sets up an old distribution in .bashrc and then
> tries to use a new one. (In that case the old ConTeXt behaves just as
> impolitely as tetex and hinders the ability to use the latest one.)

so, maybe we can add an extra script that resets these variables?

Hans

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Re: Minimals (solved)

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 12:58, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>
>> The reason for this weird behavior is that we removed almost all the
>> variables from setuptex back in May 2009.
>>
>> This is just the contrary of what Hans tried to achieve several years
>> ago to overwrite the tetex's pollution with variables. Now that hardly
>> anyone uses tetex ... we didn't bother about that any more, but it is
>> still a problem if one sets up an old distribution in .bashrc and then
>> tries to use a new one. (In that case the old ConTeXt behaves just as
>> impolitely as tetex and hinders the ability to use the latest one.)
>
> so, maybe we can add an extra script that resets these variables?

I would prefer to leave an option to users to set those variables
themselves (at least to those who know what they are doing).

Mojca
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