Re: How to make an accent

Re: How to make an accent

[Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky]

Thanks, Arthur, for explanations. It works now via macro and I'm happy )
>    No, the letter doesn't exist at all in Unicode, and most likely won't be
> encoded in the future either, due to the rule known as "normalization
> stability".  Generally speaking, you have to input it as Cyrillic a followed by
> combining acute accent, from the Unicode point of view.  Inside TeX, you should
> of course build it with an accent macro.
>    
Vyatcheslav
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Math setup with TimesNR

[Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky]

Hello,

I still need help with math. I created the following setup file which 
utilizes Windows standard Times New Roman font.

In general, math symbols are displayed correctly (!), but Latin letters 
in formulas are not italic but regular. Where should I start tuning up 
to get italic Latin letters?

\starttypescript [serif] [TimesNR]

     \definefontsynonym [Serif] [times.ttf] [features=default]

     \definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [timesbd.ttf] [features=default]

     \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic] [timesbi.ttf] [features=default]

     \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [timesi.ttf] [features=default]

\stoptypescript


\starttypescript [math][TimesNR][all]

     \definefontsynonym[MathRoman][txmath@tx-math]

     \loadmapfile[original-youngryu-tx.map]

\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [TimesNR]

     \definetypeface [TimesNR] [rm] [serif] [TimesNR] [default]

     \definetypeface [TimesNR] [mm] [math] [TimesNR] [default]

\stoptypescript


Regards,
Vyatcheslav
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Re: Math setup with TimesNR

[Khaled Hosny]

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You'd like to try XITS Math font[1], bug reports are welcomed, though no
guarantee it'll be fixed.

[1] http://github.com/khaledhosny/xits-math/tree/

Regards,
 Khaled

On Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 01:59:46AM +0200, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I still need help with math. I created the following setup file which  
> utilizes Windows standard Times New Roman font.
>
> In general, math symbols are displayed correctly (!), but Latin letters  
> in formulas are not italic but regular. Where should I start tuning up  
> to get italic Latin letters?
>
> \starttypescript [serif] [TimesNR]
>
>     \definefontsynonym [Serif] [times.ttf] [features=default]
>
>     \definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [timesbd.ttf] [features=default]
>
>     \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic] [timesbi.ttf] [features=default]
>
>     \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [timesi.ttf] [features=default]
>
> \stoptypescript
>
>
> \starttypescript [math][TimesNR][all]
>
>     \definefontsynonym[MathRoman][txmath@tx-math]
>
>     \loadmapfile[original-youngryu-tx.map]
>
> \stoptypescript
>
> \starttypescript [TimesNR]
>
>     \definetypeface [TimesNR] [rm] [serif] [TimesNR] [default]
>
>     \definetypeface [TimesNR] [mm] [math] [TimesNR] [default]
>
> \stoptypescript
>
>
> Regards,
> Vyatcheslav
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Re: Math setup with TimesNR

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Tue, 10 Nov 2009, Khaled Hosny wrote:

> You'd like to try XITS Math font[1], bug reports are welcomed, though no
> guarantee it'll be fixed.
>
> [1] http://github.com/khaledhosny/xits-math/tree/

Nice name for the font.

From the readme:

This is an experimental OpenType math font font based on
He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named math fonts.

:)


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Re: Math setup with TimesNR

[Khaled Hosny]

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On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 02:48:30PM -0500, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009, Khaled Hosny wrote:
>
>> You'd like to try XITS Math font[1], bug reports are welcomed, though no
>> guarantee it'll be fixed.
>>
>> [1] http://github.com/khaledhosny/xits-math/tree/
>
> Nice name for the font.
>
>> From the readme:
>
> This is an experimental OpenType math font font based on
> He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named math fonts.
>
> :)

You know, one can't risk mentioning its name and being cursed not to
release till the end of eternity.

Regards,
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Re: Math setup with TimesNR

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 10.11.2009 um 22:25 schrieb Khaled Hosny:

>>> From the readme:
>> 
>> This is an experimental OpenType math font font based on
>> He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named math fonts.
>> 
>> :)
> 
> You know, one can't risk mentioning its name and being cursed not to
> release till the end of eternity.

That was only possible before his death two years ago :)

Wolfgang

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Re: Math setup with TimesNR

[Taco Hoekwater]

Khaled Hosny wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 02:48:30PM -0500, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009, Khaled Hosny wrote:
>>
>>> You'd like to try XITS Math font[1], bug reports are welcomed, though no
>>> guarantee it'll be fixed.
>>>
>>> [1] http://github.com/khaledhosny/xits-math/tree/
>> Nice name for the font.

So that is where the mysteriously missing glyphs went!

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Re: Math setup with TimesNR

[Hans Hagen]

Khaled Hosny wrote:
> You'd like to try XITS Math font[1], bug reports are welcomed, though no
> guarantee it'll be fixed.
> 
> [1] http://github.com/khaledhosny/xits-math/tree/

nice! some remarks off list

Hans

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How to set \tfa to 10pt?

[Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky]

Hello,

I use TimesNR 11pt as body font. How to instruct ConTeXt Mkiv that I 
want \tfx to be exactly 10pt?

Regards,
Vyatcheslav
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Re: How to set \tfa to 10pt?

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

Hi,

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:10:42 -0700, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky  
<yatskovsky@gmail.com> wrote:

> I use TimesNR 11pt as body font. How to instruct ConTeXt Mkiv that I  
> want \tfx to be exactly 10pt?

You can do that in a typescript, after defining

\starttypescript [serif] [myfont] [name]

etc:

\starttypescript [serif] [myfont] [size]
\definebodyfont [9pt,10pt,11pt,12pt,14.4pt]
[rm]
[tfx=Serif sa .9]
\stoptypescript

etc.

I've used this technique plenty of times in mkii, but there _may_ be  
subtleties in mkiv for your case, so experiment.

Best wishes
Idris

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Re: How to set \tfa to 10pt?

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:23:05 -0700, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس   سماوي حامد  
<ishamid@colostate.edu> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:10:42 -0700, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky  
> <yatskovsky@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I use TimesNR 11pt as body font. How to instruct ConTeXt Mkiv that I  
>> want \tfx to be exactly 10pt?
>
> You can do that in a typescript, after defining
>
> \starttypescript [serif] [myfont] [name]
>
> etc:
>
> \starttypescript [serif] [myfont] [size]
> \definebodyfont [9pt,10pt,11pt,12pt,14.4pt]
> [rm]
> [tfx=Serif sa .9]
> \stoptypescript
>
> etc.

Don't forget to add the [size] parameter to your typeface in your final  
typescript eg:

\definetypeface [serif] [rm] [myfont] [name] [size]

Idris

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Re: How to make an accent

[Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky]

On 01.11.2009 13:00, ntg-context-request@ntg.nl wrote:
> If there is no suitable letter in Unicode you may:
> - try to use Unicode accent combining characters and complain if it doesn't work
> - this used to work not so long ago (well, during BachoTeX Hans has
> fixed it), but the second example behaves weird again:
>      \buildtextaccent\textcircumflex{y}
>      \buildtextaccent\textcircumflex{\schwa}
> so try with your letters and report if you stumble into problems problems.
>    
Thanks. But before i try something weird, i want to explain. I need an 
accent to indicate where pronunciation stress is. Is happens on Cyrillic 
"а" letter:

Апроксимація (approximation)

So my goal is not to form a special letter, but to show a linguistic 
feature of the word.
Maybe we have better way to do this?

Regards,
Vyatcheslav
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Re: How to make an accent

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 14:11, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:
> On 01.11.2009 13:00, ntg-context-request@ntg.nl wrote:
>>
>> If there is no suitable letter in Unicode you may:
>> - try to use Unicode accent combining characters and complain if it
>> doesn't work
>> - this used to work not so long ago (well, during BachoTeX Hans has
>> fixed it), but the second example behaves weird again:
>>     \buildtextaccent\textcircumflex{y}
>>     \buildtextaccent\textcircumflex{\schwa}
>> so try with your letters and report if you stumble into problems problems.
>>
>
> Thanks. But before i try something weird, i want to explain. I need an
> accent to indicate where pronunciation stress is. Is happens on Cyrillic "а"
> letter:
>
> Апроксимація (approximation)
>
> So my goal is not to form a special letter, but to show a linguistic feature
> of the word.
> Maybe we have better way to do this?

1. you can do
    \def\myacute#1{\buildtextaccent\textacute{#1}}
    Апроксим{\myacute а}ція

2. of course you can also define an ugly shortcut:
    \catcode`'=\active
    \let\'=\myacute
    Апроксим\'ація

3. though in reality I would be most grateful if
    \'а
would work out of the box (at least it mkiv) and generate accent over
whatever letter comes next. If glyph doesn't exist, it could just
place one over a.

Mojca
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Re: How to make an accent

[Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky]

> 1. you can do
> \def\myacute#1{\buildtextaccent\textacute{#1}}
> Апроксим{\myacute а}ція
>
> 2. of course you can also define an ugly shortcut:
> \catcode`'=\active
> \let\'=\myacute
> Апроксим\'ація
>
> 3. though in reality I would be most grateful if
> \'а
> would work out of the box (at least it mkiv) and generate accent over
> whatever letter comes next. If glyph doesn't exist, it could just
> place one over a.

Thank you, Mojca. (1) works fine.

Before asking, I tried (3) option, but failed. Why it doesn't work? This 
is the classic way.

Regards,
Vyatcheslav
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Re: How to make an accent

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 15:31, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:
>> 1. you can do
>> \def\myacute#1{\buildtextaccent\textacute{#1}}
>> Апроксим{\myacute а}ція
>>
>> 2. of course you can also define an ugly shortcut:
>> \catcode`'=\active
>> \let\'=\myacute
>> Апроксим\'ація
>>
>> 3. though in reality I would be most grateful if
>> \'а
>> would work out of the box (at least it mkiv) and generate accent over
>> whatever letter comes next. If glyph doesn't exist, it could just
>> place one over a.
>
> Thank you, Mojca. (1) works fine.
>
> Before asking, I tried (3) option, but failed. Why it doesn't work? This is
> the classic way.

Not sure, but if that letter exists in unicode and not in your font
... that might be the most probably cause. If not, read further.

In mkii it has never worked since Hans reimplemented the mechanism (it
was different from Knuth's) to enable choosing the right glyph - if
font encoding has some glyph, it comes from the font, else it gets
composed from accent and letter.

Maybe I'm wrong, but from what I remember you only get those
characters that indeed exist in Unicode and the whole set of allowed
combinations is defined somewhere in source (see enco-def.mkii). I
don't know what exactly needs to be done in mkiv.

In mkii it will never get changed; I don't remember too many
complaints, but the truth is that (all) the characters that people
need are usually covered. If any were missing, they were added to the
list.

4.) I indeed forgot the fourth option: you can also build a slightly
larger file with all letter-accent combinations that you possibly
need.

I would assume that mkiv just builds all the accent combinations (to
support "\v c" constructs) from Unicode specification. If you need
some special character with a special accent like those definitions in
enco-def.mkii ... then you need to ask someone else for mkiv since I
stayed behind of a time for quite a giant leap.

(Hans, why cannot I put any accent on \schwa any more?)

Mojca
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Re: How to make an accent

[Arthur Reutenauer]

> Not sure, but if that letter exists in unicode and not in your font

  No, the letter doesn't exist at all in Unicode, and most likely won't be
encoded in the future either, due to the rule known as "normalization
stability".  Generally speaking, you have to input it as Cyrillic a followed by
combining acute accent, from the Unicode point of view.  Inside TeX, you should
of course build it with an accent macro.

	Arthur
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How to make an accent

[Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky]

Hello,

How to make an accent over a letter in a word?

I use Times New Roman and Cyrillic letters.

Regards,
Vyatcheslav
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Re: How to make an accent

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 01:29, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:
> Hello,
>
> How to make an accent over a letter in a word?

It might help to know what letters exactly you have in mind.

> I use Times New Roman and Cyrillic letters.

If there is no suitable letter in Unicode you may:
- try to use Unicode accent combining characters and complain if it doesn't work
- this used to work not so long ago (well, during BachoTeX Hans has
fixed it), but the second example behaves weird again:
    \buildtextaccent\textcircumflex{y}
    \buildtextaccent\textcircumflex{\schwa}
so try with your letters and report if you stumble into problems problems.

Mojca
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