Bibliographic mess

Bibliographic mess

[Manuel P.]

Hi!

I'm fighting with the bibliography for hours now.

I've a bibtex file with the entries: "bibliografia.bib", and I want to 
list ALL its entries (whether cited or not). Easy enough:

----
\setupbibtex[database=bibliografia]
\setuppublications[alternative=num,criterium=all,numbering=yes]

\starttext
% Thesis [...]

\placepublications[sorttype=bbl,criterium=all]
\stoptext
----

I've incorporated a style for typesetting urls stealed from contextgarden:

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography

Except for the fact that with MKIV (context command) I see only the 
cited ones. With MKII (texexec) I see all the entries but there isn't 
any url despite the \setuppublicationlayout command.

I would love to have a bibliography chapter with all the entries (cited 
or not), some of them must display an acrive URL, and possibly filed by 
type in different sections. For example:

----
\chapter{Bibliography}
\section{Books}
% books entries
\section{Presentations}
% Audio-video presentations references with the internet URL
\section{Articles and Papers}
% Entries with an active URL
----

Is it possible? I've read "bibmod-doc.pdf" without much success.

-- 
Manuel P.

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Re: Bibliographic mess

[Taco Hoekwater]

Manuel P. wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I'm fighting with the bibliography for hours now.
> 
> I've a bibtex file with the entries: "bibliografia.bib", and I want to
> list ALL its entries (whether cited or not). Easy enough:
> 
> ----
> \setupbibtex[database=bibliografia]
> \setuppublications[alternative=num,criterium=all,numbering=yes]
> 
> \starttext
> % Thesis [...]
> 
> \placepublications[sorttype=bbl,criterium=all]
> \stoptext
> ----
> 
> I've incorporated a style for typesetting urls stealed from contextgarden:
> 
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography
> 
> Except for the fact that with MKIV (context command) I see only the
> cited ones. 

Yes, there are a few problems with the converted mkiv version. Could
you create a small test file for Hans so he can have a look?

> With MKII (texexec) I see all the entries but there isn't
> any url despite the \setuppublicationlayout command.

Same here, but this time the test file is for me.

> and possibly filed by type in different sections. For example:

You can't do this with the current module, sorry.

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: Bibliographic mess

[Manuel P.]

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Il 24/12/2009 10.55, Taco Hoekwater ha scritto:
> [snip]
> Yes, there are a few problems with the converted mkiv version. Could
> you create a small test file for Hans so he can have a look?
>
>    

Ok, I'll post this example here (see the attachment).

To summarize:

== What I want ==
A bibliography chapter with all the entries in the bib file, whether 
cited or not, and some of them typesetted with an active url (snippet of 
\setuppublicationlayout pasted from contextgarden).

== What I get ==
- MKIV (context command): all the entries, but without active urls.
- MKII (texexec command): entries with active urls, but only the cited ones.

>> and possibly filed by type in different sections. For example:
>>      
> You can't do this with the current module, sorry.
>
> Best wishes,
> Taco

It's possible to use a word in a bibtex entry that says what type of 
source it is? Something like:

     type={book|presentation|article}

and to typeset this word maybe in bold? I've seen a "type" keyword in 
bibtex but I'm not sure on how to use it or how to make ConTeXt use this 
keyword the way I want.

Thank you for your precious time Taco,

-- 
Manuel P.


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Re: Bibliographic mess

[Manuel P.]

Il 24/12/2009 12.41, Manuel P. ha scritto:
> == What I get ==
> - MKIV (context command): all the entries, but without active urls.
> - MKII (texexec command): entries with active urls, but only the cited 
> ones.

Well, actually the opposite is true sorry!

== What I get ==
- MKII (texexec command): all the entries, but without active urls.
- MKIV (context command): entries with active urls, but only the cited 
ones.

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Re: Bibliographic mess

[Taco Hoekwater]

Manuel P. wrote:
> 
> == What I get ==
> - MKII (texexec command): all the entries, but without active urls.

Put your patch below the \setuppublications command,. As the loads
the bibl-num.tex file, it will overwrite the patch.

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: Bibliographic mess

[Manuel P.]

Il 24/12/2009 15.45, Taco Hoekwater ha scritto:
>
> Manuel P. wrote:
>    
>> == What I get ==
>> - MKII (texexec command): all the entries, but without active urls.
>>      
> Put your patch below the \setuppublications command,. As the loads
> the bibl-num.tex file, it will overwrite the patch.
>
>
>    

Ok, it works! Thank you Taco. It seems I'll have to use MKII.

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Re: Bibliographic mess

[Bernhard Rosensteiner]

> 
> 
> Manuel P. wrote:
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I'm fighting with the bibliography for hours now.
>> 
>> I've a bibtex file with the entries: "bibliografia.bib", and I want to
>> list ALL its entries (whether cited or not). Easy enough:
>> 
>> ----
>> \setupbibtex[database=bibliografia]
>> \setuppublications[alternative=num,criterium=all,numbering=yes]
>> 
>> \starttext
>> % Thesis [...]
>> 
>> \placepublications[sorttype=bbl,criterium=all]
>> \stoptext
>> ----
>> 
>> I've incorporated a style for typesetting urls stealed from contextgarden:
>> 
>> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography
>> 
>> Except for the fact that with MKIV (context command) I see only the
>> cited ones. 
> 
> Yes, there are a few problems with the converted mkiv version. Could
> you create a small test file for Hans so he can have a look?
> 
>> With MKII (texexec) I see all the entries but there isn't
>> any url despite the \setuppublicationlayout command.
> 
> Same here, but this time the test file is for me.
> 
>> and possibly filed by type in different sections. For example:
> 
> You can't do this with the current module, sorry.

but this would be a very nice feature. Is it possible to implement „filtering by type“ in a future version (maybe like in BiblaTeX for LaTeX)? 

best regards
Bernhard

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Re: Bibliographic mess

[Taco Hoekwater]

Bernhard Rosensteiner wrote:
>> 
>>> and possibly filed by type in different sections. For example:
>> You can't do this with the current module, sorry.
> 
> but this would be a very nice feature. Is it possible to implement
> „filtering by type“ in a future version (maybe like in BiblaTeX for
> LaTeX)?

The next version (rewrite) will be based on lxml and lpath, and that
will make all kinds of filtering features much easier to implement,
so almost certainly: yes.

Best wishes,
Taco


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