* negative kerning
@ 2010-01-18 17:28 Horacio Suarez
2010-01-18 17:40 ` Hans Hagen
2010-01-18 17:46 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Horacio Suarez @ 2010-01-18 17:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
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hello all:
I need someting like a negative kerning to reduce some paragraphs length.
I was reading the mails but I didn´t find it or was too complex for me.
thankyou in advance.
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* Re: negative kerning
2010-01-18 17:28 negative kerning Horacio Suarez
@ 2010-01-18 17:40 ` Hans Hagen
2010-01-18 22:03 ` Andreas Harder
2010-01-18 17:46 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-01-18 17:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 18-1-2010 18:28, Horacio Suarez wrote:
>
> hello all:
>
> I need someting like a negative kerning to reduce some paragraphs length.
>
> I was reading the mails but I didn´t find it or was too complex for me.
i'm not sure what you mean .. narrower?
\startnarrower[right]
...
\stopnarrower
otherwise you need to locally mess around with tolerance and penalties
or the width of a space
Hans
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* Re: negative kerning
2010-01-18 17:28 negative kerning Horacio Suarez
2010-01-18 17:40 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2010-01-18 17:46 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-01-18 22:39 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2010-01-18 17:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 18.01.10 18:28, schrieb Horacio Suarez:
> hello all:
>
> I need someting like a negative kerning to reduce some paragraphs length.
>
> I was reading the mails but I didn´t find it or was too complex for me.
MkIV only:
\definecharacterkerning[packed]
\setupcharacterkerning[packed][factor=-.125]
\starttext
\input knuth
\start
\setcharacterkerning[packed]
\input knuth
\stop
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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* Re: negative kerning
2010-01-18 17:40 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2010-01-18 22:03 ` Andreas Harder
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From: Andreas Harder @ 2010-01-18 22:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 18.01.2010 um 18:40 schrieb Hans Hagen:
> On 18-1-2010 18:28, Horacio Suarez wrote:
>>
>> hello all:
>>
>> I need someting like a negative kerning to reduce some paragraphs length.
>>
>> I was reading the mails but I didn´t find it or was too complex for me.
>
> otherwise you need to locally mess around with tolerance and penalties or the width of a space
What is the best way to „mess around“? Is it preferable (if changing the text or layout is no option) to set a bigger inter-word space or a more tolerant expansion or both?
The latter I tried to achieve, but with no luck (attachment).
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\setuplayout[width=middle,header=0pt,footer=0pt]
\startluacode
fonts.expansions.classes['big-expansion'] = {
stretch = 4, shrink = 4, step = .5, vector = 'default', factor = 5
}
\stopluacode
\definefontfeature
[extraexpansion][default]
[expansion=big-expansion]
\usetypescript[pagella]
\setupbodyfont[pagella,13.4pt]
% \setupalign[hz,hanging,stretch]
\definetolerancemethod
[horizontal] [extraspace]
{\spaceskip.35em plus.25em minus.2em\relax}
\definetolerancemethod
[horizontal] [extrastretch]
{\emergencystretch=18pt}
\definestartstop
[SloppyPar]
[before={\start
\setuptolerance[horizontal,extrastretch,extraspace]
\setfontfeature{extraexpansion}}, % changes nothing
after=\stop]
\overfullrule=6pt
\starttext \showframe[text]
\startcolumns[balance=no]
\startSloppyPar
{\bf sloppy:}\par
\input tufte \par \it \input knuth
\stopSloppyPar
\column
{\bf normal:}\par
\input tufte \par \it \input knuth
\stopcolumns
\stoptext
%%% Local Variables:
%%% mode: context
%%% TeX-master: t
%%% End:
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Perhaps someone has further/better suggestions …
Greetings
Andreas
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* Re: negative kerning
2010-01-18 17:46 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2010-01-18 22:39 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2010-01-19 11:37 ` Horacio Suarez
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2010-01-18 22:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Jan 18, 2010, at 6:46 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> MkIV only:
>
> \definecharacterkerning[packed]
>
> \setupcharacterkerning[packed][factor=-.125]
>
> \starttext
>
> \input knuth
>
> \start
>
> \setcharacterkerning[packed]
>
> \input knuth
>
> \stop
>
> \stoptext
>
> Wolfgang
Wow!! That is one of the best things I have read in a while - it means we can have proper "gesperrten" Text with proper hyphenation! Really excellent, thanks a lot for pointing this out, Wolfgang!
Thomas
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* Re: negative kerning
2010-01-18 22:39 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
@ 2010-01-19 11:37 ` Horacio Suarez
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From: Horacio Suarez @ 2010-01-19 11:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Thankyou very much for your answers.
Wolfgang, I have the following error when I run that code:
(c:/contextminimal/texmf-context/tex/context/sample/knuth.texerror: ...tminimal/texmf-context/tex/context/base/typo-krn.lua:121: attempt to index local 'before' (a nil value)
I´m using XP
ConTeXt ver: 2010.01.18 22:43 MKIV fmt: 2010.1.19 int: english/english
what is wrong?
thankyou for your help.
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Horacio Suarez
> From: thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de
> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:39:07 +0100
> To: ntg-context@ntg.nl
> Subject: Re: [NTG-context] negative kerning
>
>
> On Jan 18, 2010, at 6:46 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>
> > MkIV only:
> >
> > \definecharacterkerning[packed]
> >
> > \setupcharacterkerning[packed][factor=-.125]
> >
> > \starttext
> >
> > \input knuth
> >
> > \start
> >
> > \setcharacterkerning[packed]
> >
> > \input knuth
> >
> > \stop
> >
> > \stoptext
> >
> > Wolfgang
>
> Wow!! That is one of the best things I have read in a while - it means we can have proper "gesperrten" Text with proper hyphenation! Really excellent, thanks a lot for pointing this out, Wolfgang!
>
> Thomas
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* Re: negative kerning
2010-01-19 16:29 ` Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky
@ 2010-01-19 17:12 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-01-19 17:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 19-1-2010 17:29, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I tried the following snipped out of curiosity and it gives me the error
> (even with the latest beta)
>
> systems : begin file 1.tex at line 5
>
> (c:/contextminimal/texmf-context/tex/context/sample/knuth.tex)
> (c:/contextminimal/texmf-context/tex/context/sample/knuth.texerror:
> ....tminimal/texmf-context/tex/context/base/typo-krn.lua:121: attempt to
> index local 'before' (a nil value)
>
> ..
>
> l.11
>
> ?
just a bug
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* Re: negative kerning
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@ 2010-01-19 16:29 ` Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky
2010-01-19 17:12 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky @ 2010-01-19 16:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context, Wolfgang Schuster
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Hi,
I tried the following snipped out of curiosity and it gives me the error
(even with the latest beta)
systems : begin file 1.tex at line 5
(c:/contextminimal/texmf-context/tex/context/sample/knuth.tex)
(c:/contextminimal/texmf-context/tex/context/sample/knuth.texerror:
...tminimal/texmf-context/tex/context/base/typo-krn.lua:121: attempt to
index local 'before' (a nil value)
.
l.11
?
> \definecharacterkerning[packed]
>
> \setupcharacterkerning[packed][factor=-.125]
>
> \starttext
>
> \input knuth
>
> \start
>
> \setcharacterkerning[packed]
>
> \input knuth
>
> \stop
>
> \stoptext
>
What have I missed?
Regards,
Vyatcheslav
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\definecharacterkerning[packed]
\setupcharacterkerning[packed][factor=-.125]
\starttext
\input knuth
\start
\setcharacterkerning[packed]
\input knuth
\stop
\stoptext
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