From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/55684 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: using `` '' the output is wrong. Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:10:07 +0100 Message-ID: <4B56C86F.4090200@wxs.nl> References: <4be511dc1001180434h14d05ebq27c5f9f1c5a811c8@mail.gmail.com> <6faad9f01001191302l50cb8d9q7672d041be432fbf@mail.gmail.com> <4B56AB0B.5040100@elvenkind.com> <201001200828.47505.alan.braslau@cea.fr> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1263978764 14077 80.91.229.12 (20 Jan 2010 09:12:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:12:44 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Wed Jan 20 10:12:37 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NXWc8-0003Yz-5e for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:12:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C89C9D37; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:12:36 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id LPYBQooQ81oD; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:12:14 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F19C9D3C; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:11:54 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B721C9D3A for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:11:47 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id f6aKT4TqM7rd for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:11:36 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail.solcon.net (dsl-083-247-100-017.solcon.nl [83.247.100.17]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3852EC9D3F for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:10:13 +0100 (CET) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=10.100.1.100; Original-Received: from [10.100.1.100] (unverified [10.100.1.100]) by controller-9 (SurgeMail 4.2d2) with ESMTP id 1561-1713362 for multiple; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:09:53 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0 In-Reply-To: <201001200828.47505.alan.braslau@cea.fr> X-Authenticated-User: hagen@controller-9 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:55684 Archived-At: On 20-1-2010 8:28, Alan BRASLAU wrote: > On Wednesday 20 January 2010 08:04:43 Taco Hoekwater wrote: >> The problem is that all the latex and plain tex books promote >> the use of `` and '' and people that already use TeX are unlikely >> to change their habits (and most will not read the context manual >> as thoroughly as they should). >> > > This is my concern. Whereas I do prefer \quotation{} being functionally > logical, after all the spirit of TeX, I also like unicode generalizations > (such as =B1 for \pm). Nevertheless, hard core TeX users as well as conve= rts > from LaTeX *expect* ``'', --, ---, ..., etc. to work in ConTeXt. I assume= that > the present discussion is useful and not simply controversial. one can always write small script that converts `` '' to \quotation (actually one of my reasons for never using `` '' is that it looks quite = ugly in the source as the second pair is not tilted and i hate ugly = looking sources) > I ignore the mechanisms behind the different implementations (macro, font= s, > catcar, ...) and the problems that arise. > > Concerning typesetting source code, I would suggest something as simple as > suspending ALL such tricks within \text{} and \starttyping\stoptyping (pe= rhaps > parametrized). One could also define something like \shellescape{}, analo= gous > to \quotation{}, to typeset `echo "hello world"` and even \string{} to ty= peset > "string" or 'string', according to the programming language initialized. indeed this backtick is to be dealt with by a command as it differs per = operating system > What I also find disturbing is that *some* of these conventions are retai= ned, > but not all. in principle we can even drop $ and & as we now have primitives for them = and # can go also at some point (but unfortunately tex is somewhat = sensitive for #s passed in arguments Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________= ________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to t= he Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-cont= ext webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________= ________