Re: basic \cite[]

Re: basic \cite[]

[Michael Saunders]

Taco:

> > \placepublications
>
> Please change the above line to
>
>    \placepublications[criterium=all]

Thanks, but that's what I was using already.  To be clear, in Mk IV:
\usemodule[bib]
\setupbibtex[database=myProject]
\setuppublications[alternative=num]
...
\cite[myKey]
...
\placepublications[criterium=all]


The references in the back look okay, but at the point where
\cite[myKey]  occurs, I get  empty brackets: "[]", not "[1]".
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Re: basic \cite[]

[Taco Hoekwater]

Michael Saunders wrote:
> Taco:
> 
>>> \placepublications
>> Please change the above line to
>>
>>    \placepublications[criterium=all]
> 
> Thanks, but that's what I was using already.  To be clear, in Mk IV:
> \usemodule[bib]
> \setupbibtex[database=myProject]
> \setuppublications[alternative=num]
> ...
> \cite[myKey]
> ...
> \placepublications[criterium=all]
> 
> 
> The references in the back look okay, but at the point where
> \cite[myKey]  occurs, I get  empty brackets: "[]", not "[1]".

That works OK for me (I ran your test file).

Best wishes,
Taco

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Re: basic \cite[]

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 18.04.10 08:31, schrieb Taco Hoekwater:
> On the criterium vs. criterion: this bad 'translation' is actually
> a keyword left over from the Dutch interface. It has been this
> way since 1996 I think. Actually changing it is not an option.
> but perhaps an alias could be created. I have also created a
> tracker item for that.
As internal command you can't change the name but a synonym
for the users is easy:

\setinterfacevariable{criterium}{criterion}

Wolfgang

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Re: basic \cite[]

[Salil Sayed]

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In mkIV the option seems mandatory too. Otherwise I get the empty brackets. But only the authoryear and authoryears works for me. Not authornum.

This is how I use it. (following the habit of using natbib in Latex)

\usemodule[bib]
\setupbibtex
 [database={Manuscript},
  sort=author]
\setuppublications[numbering=yes]
\def\LocalRefList {\subject{References}\placepublications[criterium=chapter, option=continue]} 
\def\citet[#1]{\cite[authoryear][#1]}
\def\citep[#1]{\cite[authoryears][#1]}

The line
\def\LocalRefList {\subject{References}\placepublications[criterium=chapter, option=continue]} 
worked in mkII but not in mkIV.

Best regards,

Salil


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Subject: Re: [NTG-context] basic \cite[]

Michael Saunders wrote:
> One cryptic line tells me:
> 
> "refcommand                  the default option for \cite"
> 
> just like that.  Based on this, I'm guessing refcommand=key will let
> me write things like \cite[myFirstKey].  The manual goes on to clear
> up the confusion by explaining:

Well, no. You always use keys as arguments, the option controls the
resulting output.  It called an option because it controls the
optional argument of \cite. A reference key is mandatory, because
otherwise the whole command would be pointless.

> \setuppublications[refcommand=key,alternative=apa,setupinteraction=start,numbering=yes]

Try

  \setuppublications[alternative=num]

Best wishes,
Taco

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Re: basic \cite[]

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi,

Michael Green wrote:
> 
> Mk II gets the desired result; Mk IV does not.
> 
> Example:

> ... 
> \placepublications

Please change the above line to

   \placepublications[criterium=all]

This is a bug in the mkiv port of the module that I thought was
already documented, but maybe not. To be sure, I created a bug
tracker item for Hans to look at.

On the criterium vs. criterion: this bad 'translation' is actually
a keyword left over from the Dutch interface. It has been this
way since 1996 I think. Actually changing it is not an option.
but perhaps an alias could be created. I have also created a
tracker item for that.

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: basic \cite[]

[Michael Saunders]

Michael Green:

> Mk II gets the desired result; Mk IV does not.
>
> Example:
>
> \usemodule[bib]
> \setuppublications[alternative=num,refcommand=num]
...

That's it then.  I'm using Mk IV.  Is there a proper way to use it?

By the way, the developers should know something:  in English, a
"criterium" is a kind of bicycle race.  The key should be called
"criterion".
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Re: basic \cite[]

[Michael Green]

Michael Saunders <odradek5 <at> gmail.com> writes:

> Taco:
> 
> > Try
> >
> >    \setuppublications[alternative=num]
> 
> Thank you, but using that I get the same result:
> 

Mk II gets the desired result; Mk IV does not.

Example:

\usemodule[bib]
\setuppublications[alternative=num,refcommand=num]
\setupbibtex[database=bibl-test]

\starttext

\subject{Text}

Sentence referring to Shue’s article. \cite[Shue:1978lg]

Sentence referring to Sussman’s article. \cite[Sussman:2005oz]

\subject{References}
\placepublications

\stoptext

bibl-test.tex

@article{Sussman:2005oz,
	Author = {Sussman, David},
	Journal = {Philosophy \& Public Affairs},
	Number = {1},
	Pages = {1--33},
	Title = {What's Wrong with Torture?},
	Volume = {33},
	Year = {2005}}

@article{Shue:1978lg,
	Author = {Shue, Henry},
	Journal = {Philosophy \& Public Affairs},
	Number = {2},
	Pages = {124--143},
	Title = {Torture},
	Volume = {7},
	Year = {1978}}

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Re: basic \cite[]

[Michael Saunders]

Taco:

> Try
>
>    \setuppublications[alternative=num]

Thank you, but using that I get the same result:

\cite[myKey]  prints out empty brackets "[]", not "[1]".
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Re: basic \cite[]

[Taco Hoekwater]

Michael Saunders wrote:
> One cryptic line tells me:
> 
> "refcommand                  the default option for \cite"
> 
> just like that.  Based on this, I'm guessing refcommand=key will let
> me write things like \cite[myFirstKey].  The manual goes on to clear
> up the confusion by explaining:

Well, no. You always use keys as arguments, the option controls the
resulting output.  It called an option because it controls the
optional argument of \cite. A reference key is mandatory, because
otherwise the whole command would be pointless.

> \setuppublications[refcommand=key,alternative=apa,setupinteraction=start,numbering=yes]

Try

   \setuppublications[alternative=num]

Best wishes,
Taco

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basic \cite[]

[Michael Saunders]

I want to be able to write, in my text, \cite[myKey] (where myKey is
the key of a record in my .bib file), and have this appear in print
as:  [<a number>]
linked to the bibliograpy page where it (<a number>) occurs.

I've been puzzling over bibmod-doc.pdf.  I think the solution has to
do with the commands \setuppublications and \setupcite, but since
bibmod-doc never says what these commands do, it's very difficult.
I'm guessing \setuppublications might be able to control what argument
I should use in the \cite[] command.  I'm guessing \setupcite might
control how a citation will be printed in the text.  (If this is true,
the manual should say so so the reader doesn't have to guess.)  One
cryptic line tells me:

"refcommand                  the default option for \cite"

just like that.  Based on this, I'm guessing refcommand=key will let
me write things like \cite[myFirstKey].  The manual goes on to clear
up the confusion by explaining:

"The \cite command has a lot of alternatives, as could be seen above
in the setting of ‘refcommand’."

That's it---no mention of what \setupcite does.  Based on this, I'm
hoping that \setupcite[num] will cause the citation to be printed as
[<some number>], e.g., [1].

So, I'm using:

\usemodule[bib]
\setupbibtex[database=myProject]
\setuppublications[refcommand=key,alternative=apa,setupinteraction=start,numbering=yes]
\setuppublicationlist[]
\setupcite[num][]

...

\placepublications[criterium=all]

The bibliography prints out, but citations appear as empty brackets:  "[]".
I want them to be numbers linked to the appearance of the same number
in the bibliography.   There must be a way of doing this?
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