From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/58401 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: ConTeXt name/branding Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 01:16:47 +0200 Message-ID: <4BD61EDF.10506@wxs.nl> References: Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1272323838 32532 80.91.229.12 (26 Apr 2010 23:17:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 23:17:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Scott Steele To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Tue Apr 27 01:17:15 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O6XY9-0000q4-2e for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 01:17:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C17C9BC9; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 01:17:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id i7hhC-QEu5Np; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 01:17:09 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA225C9C0E; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 01:17:08 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C400C9C0E for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 01:17:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id nOQmcXMLjSDV for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 01:17:04 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from smtp.ziggozakelijk.nl (sc-162.r-213-125-29.schoolconnect.nu [213.125.29.162]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91BDFC9BC9 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 01:17:04 +0200 (CEST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=10.100.1.100; Original-Received: from [10.100.1.100] (unverified [10.100.1.100]) by controller-9 (SurgeMail 4.3e) with ESMTP id 1481-1713362 for multiple; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 01:16:42 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.4 In-Reply-To: X-Authenticated-User: hagen@controller-9 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:58401 Archived-At: On 27-4-2010 12:41, Scott Steele wrote: > Sidenote: If anyone has ever considered changing the name of the ConTeXt > project, I'd like to support that. Name consistency is important, but there > are two unnecessary problems that the current name creates. the implication of a name change is quite big > The first is that the unusual capitalization and pronunciation are a barrier > to new users. I've used macro packages in the TeX family for about four > years now (though it seems much longer! I can't believe for how long I was > putting out such ugly papers!), but I'm now consciously trying to remember > to pronounce them as tecks, latecks, zeetecks, conteckst, etc, and to type > them as Tex, Latex, Xetex, and Context (outside of this message/forum). The > odd capitalization doen't win fans among people who appreciate typographic > tradition, and the pronunciation requires that, instead of explaining first > how powerful and useful these systems are, one explain the Greek chi and > Donald Knuth. It doesn't give a good impression when one's first exposure to > TeX involves being told one is wrong in how one pronounces a word that is > less than 40 years old (The same goes for many open source projects). > Further, if the name is brought up in conversation and piques the interest > of a potential user, they will have a difficult time later searching for it > when they type in contekt or conteckt. well, nobody here cares much if you type ConTeXt as CONTEXT (small caps) or context (verbatim or whatever) concerning the pronouciation ... the x is not like in tex, it's just x (ks or whatever) ... we're not that picky and there are no rules other than that it should look right in your text if you refer to it > The second problem with the ConTeXt name is its shared spelling with > context. When I google context and font, I get so many pages imploring me to > consider the context of my document when choosing between Arial, Times New > Roman, and Comic Sans. Many of the things I'll be searching for while using > ConTeXt yield thousands of irrelevant pages because of how context can pop > up in so many topics that share major keywords with the typesetting process.. well, googling on latex is also somewhat special ... as we now have context mkiv, you have a better change for a hit > Of course, I myself am in no position to advocate a name change, and if the > two issues I listed are the price for having a cutting-edge typesetting > system, then I'm still a pretty happy camper. But if any of the people who > have actually worked really hard to put this together have ever thought > about bringing up a branding change, here's my two pence. changing a name will bring way to much work with it (changing web pages, manuals, filenames, lots of code, script names, habits etc) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________