mistake in lang-cjk.mkiv

mistake in lang-cjk.mkiv

[Tomáš Pustelník]

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Hi,

I have found a glitch in lang-cjk.mkiv in definition of Japanese language name of days are shifted. It begins at line 136, sunday is actualy monday etc. 
In source code it looks like that:

\setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!sunday=月曜日]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!monday=火曜日]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!tuesday=水曜日]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!wednesday=木曜日]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!thursday=金曜日]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!friday=土曜日]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!saturday=日曜日]

but it should be:

\setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!monday=月曜日]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!tuesday=火曜日]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!wednesday=水曜日]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!thursday=木曜日]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!friday=金曜日]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!saturday=土曜日]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!sunday=日曜日]

Also I would like to ask if file lang-spe.mkii have some equivalent in MkIV and  where the language specifics are defined (in which file)? Or is it treated in enco files?

Thank you for answers.

Tomas Pustelnik

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Re: mistake in lang-cjk.mkiv

[Hans Hagen]

On 3-5-2010 8:43, Tomáš Pustelník wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have found a glitch in lang-cjk.mkiv in definition of Japanese language name of days are shifted. It begins at line 136, sunday is actualy monday etc.
> In source code it looks like that:
>
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!sunday=月曜日]
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!monday=火曜日]
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!tuesday=水曜日]
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!wednesday=木曜日]
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!thursday=金曜日]
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!friday=土曜日]
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!saturday=日曜日]
>
> but it should be:
>
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!monday=月曜日]
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!tuesday=火曜日]
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!wednesday=水曜日]
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!thursday=木曜日]
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!friday=金曜日]
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!saturday=土曜日]
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja]    [\v!sunday=日曜日]

patched

> Also I would like to ask if file lang-spe.mkii have some equivalent in MkIV and  where the language specifics are defined (in which file)? Or is it treated in enco files?

in mkiv we don't have (want) language specifics ... why do yoi need them?

Hans


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language specifics (was: Re: mistake in lang-cjk.mkiv)

[Peter Münster]

On Thu, May 06 2010, Hans Hagen wrote:

> in mkiv we don't have (want) language specifics ... why do yoi need them?

Hello Hans,

What is now the right mechanism, to trigger some setting when a specific
language is activated and cancel this same setting, when this language is
deactivated?

Example: when entering French language, I want to execute
"\setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation]" and when leaving French I want to
execute "\setcharacterspacing[reset]".

(today the file
http://dl.contextgarden.net/modules/t-french/tex/context/third/french/t-french.tex
is broken, because I don't know how to do it right... :(

Cheers, Peter

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Re: language specifics

[Hans Hagen]

On 7-5-2010 9:25, Peter Münster wrote:
> On Thu, May 06 2010, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>> in mkiv we don't have (want) language specifics ... why do yoi need them?
>
> Hello Hans,
>
> What is now the right mechanism, to trigger some setting when a specific
> language is activated and cancel this same setting, when this language is
> deactivated?
>
> Example: when entering French language, I want to execute
> "\setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation]" and when leaving French I want to
> execute "\setcharacterspacing[reset]".
>
> (today the file
> http://dl.contextgarden.net/modules/t-french/tex/context/third/french/t-french.tex
> is broken, because I don't know how to do it right... :(

you can then probably just enable it as i cannot imagine a document 
which uses mixed typographical habits that still looks right

anyway, there will be some mechanism but probably more at the level of 
the features itself (i.e. as part of setcharacterspacing) as there have 
to be ways to turn on/off specific language bound features. The mkii 
language specifics were mostly meant for encoding issues and those 
trigger points have disappeared as encodings are gone now.

Hans


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Re: mistake in lang-cjk.mkiv

[Tomáš Pustelník]

>> Also I would like to ask if file lang-spe.mkii have some equivalent in 
>> MkIV and  where the language specifics are defined (in which file)? Or is 
>> it treated in enco files?
>
> in mkiv we don't have (want) language specifics ... why do yoi need them?
>
> Hans

Well I actually don't need them, I browse source codes and I found it there. 
It looks quite useful so I was wondering, if in MkIV is this implemented as 
well. Could you please tell me, why specifics weren't implemented in MkIV 
(why don't we want them)? And is there any other mechanics which replace 
language specifics in MkIV? And just to be sure. In MkII language specifics 
are still working, right?

Also are there any documents or information sources where I could find info 
about encoding in ConTeXt? I could use them for my bachelor thesis.

Thank you for answer.

Tomas Pustelnik

 

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Re: mistake in lang-cjk.mkiv

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 06.05.10 22:16, schrieb Hans Hagen:
>> Also I would like to ask if file lang-spe.mkii have some equivalent 
>> in MkIV and  where the language specifics are defined (in which 
>> file)? Or is it treated in enco files?
>
> in mkiv we don't have (want) language specifics ... why do yoi need them?

languagespecifics are not needed but we need a method to load language
dependend setups, e.g. for french you can have in lang-ger

\startsetups [fr] [punctuation]

   \setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation]

\stopsetups

\startsetups [fr] [itemize]

   \setupitemize[symbol=2]

\stopsetups

and in your document you can load them with

\setuplanguage[fr][setups={punctuation,itemize}]

or

\enablelanguagesetups[punctuation,itemize]

Wolfgang

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Re: mistake in lang-cjk.mkiv

[Hans Hagen]

On 9-5-2010 10:47, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> Am 06.05.10 22:16, schrieb Hans Hagen:
>>> Also I would like to ask if file lang-spe.mkii have some equivalent
>>> in MkIV and where the language specifics are defined (in which file)?
>>> Or is it treated in enco files?
>>
>> in mkiv we don't have (want) language specifics ... why do yoi need them?
>
> languagespecifics are not needed but we need a method to load language
> dependend setups, e.g. for french you can have in lang-ger
>
> \startsetups [fr] [punctuation]
>
> \setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation]
>
> \stopsetups
>
> \startsetups [fr] [itemize]
>
> \setupitemize[symbol=2]
>
> \stopsetups
>
> and in your document you can load them with
>
> \setuplanguage[fr][setups={punctuation,itemize}]
>
> or
>
> \enablelanguagesetups[punctuation,itemize]

indeed setups is the way to go

\enablelanguagesetups is somewhat tricky as we then also want to disable 
them selectively which boils down to either tagging them all internally 
or let lua deal with sets in which case we need some optimization to 
prevent redundant calls

also, we need the reverse actions then i.e. for german we want to 
disable the punctuation

\startsetups [fr] [punctuation:reset]

\resetcharacterspacing

\stopsetups

and for style changes that's quite some extra code (and adding an extra 
level of language hashes to each mechanism is also no solution)

so, we might distinguish between 'mainlanguage' and local 'language'

\startlanguagesetups [fr:punctuation:set] % local language
   \setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation]
\stopsetups

\startlanguagesetups [fr:punctuation:reset] % local language
   \resetcharacterspacing
\stopsetups

\startlanguagesetups [fr:itemize] % mainlanguage
   \setupitemize[symbol=2]
\stopsetups

or so ... needs bit of thinking

Hans

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