* mistake in lang-cjk.mkiv
@ 2010-05-03 18:43 Tomáš Pustelník
2010-05-06 20:16 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Tomáš Pustelník @ 2010-05-03 18:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi,
I have found a glitch in lang-cjk.mkiv in definition of Japanese language name of days are shifted. It begins at line 136, sunday is actualy monday etc.
In source code it looks like that:
\setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!sunday=月曜日]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!monday=火曜日]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!tuesday=水曜日]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!wednesday=木曜日]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!thursday=金曜日]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!friday=土曜日]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!saturday=日曜日]
but it should be:
\setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!monday=月曜日]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!tuesday=火曜日]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!wednesday=水曜日]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!thursday=木曜日]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!friday=金曜日]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!saturday=土曜日]
\setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!sunday=日曜日]
Also I would like to ask if file lang-spe.mkii have some equivalent in MkIV and where the language specifics are defined (in which file)? Or is it treated in enco files?
Thank you for answers.
Tomas Pustelnik
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* Re: mistake in lang-cjk.mkiv
2010-05-03 18:43 mistake in lang-cjk.mkiv Tomáš Pustelník
@ 2010-05-06 20:16 ` Hans Hagen
2010-05-07 7:25 ` language specifics (was: Re: mistake in lang-cjk.mkiv) Peter Münster
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-05-06 20:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 3-5-2010 8:43, Tomáš Pustelník wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have found a glitch in lang-cjk.mkiv in definition of Japanese language name of days are shifted. It begins at line 136, sunday is actualy monday etc.
> In source code it looks like that:
>
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!sunday=月曜日]
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!monday=火曜日]
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!tuesday=水曜日]
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!wednesday=木曜日]
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!thursday=金曜日]
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!friday=土曜日]
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!saturday=日曜日]
>
> but it should be:
>
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!monday=月曜日]
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!tuesday=火曜日]
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!wednesday=水曜日]
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!thursday=木曜日]
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!friday=金曜日]
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!saturday=土曜日]
> \setuplabeltext [\s!ja] [\v!sunday=日曜日]
patched
> Also I would like to ask if file lang-spe.mkii have some equivalent in MkIV and where the language specifics are defined (in which file)? Or is it treated in enco files?
in mkiv we don't have (want) language specifics ... why do yoi need them?
Hans
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread* language specifics (was: Re: mistake in lang-cjk.mkiv)
2010-05-06 20:16 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2010-05-07 7:25 ` Peter Münster
2010-05-07 9:19 ` language specifics Hans Hagen
2010-05-09 8:30 ` mistake in lang-cjk.mkiv Tomáš Pustelník
2010-05-09 8:47 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Peter Münster @ 2010-05-07 7:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Thu, May 06 2010, Hans Hagen wrote:
> in mkiv we don't have (want) language specifics ... why do yoi need them?
Hello Hans,
What is now the right mechanism, to trigger some setting when a specific
language is activated and cancel this same setting, when this language is
deactivated?
Example: when entering French language, I want to execute
"\setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation]" and when leaving French I want to
execute "\setcharacterspacing[reset]".
(today the file
http://dl.contextgarden.net/modules/t-french/tex/context/third/french/t-french.tex
is broken, because I don't know how to do it right... :(
Cheers, Peter
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* Re: language specifics
2010-05-07 7:25 ` language specifics (was: Re: mistake in lang-cjk.mkiv) Peter Münster
@ 2010-05-07 9:19 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-05-07 9:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 7-5-2010 9:25, Peter Münster wrote:
> On Thu, May 06 2010, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>> in mkiv we don't have (want) language specifics ... why do yoi need them?
>
> Hello Hans,
>
> What is now the right mechanism, to trigger some setting when a specific
> language is activated and cancel this same setting, when this language is
> deactivated?
>
> Example: when entering French language, I want to execute
> "\setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation]" and when leaving French I want to
> execute "\setcharacterspacing[reset]".
>
> (today the file
> http://dl.contextgarden.net/modules/t-french/tex/context/third/french/t-french.tex
> is broken, because I don't know how to do it right... :(
you can then probably just enable it as i cannot imagine a document
which uses mixed typographical habits that still looks right
anyway, there will be some mechanism but probably more at the level of
the features itself (i.e. as part of setcharacterspacing) as there have
to be ways to turn on/off specific language bound features. The mkii
language specifics were mostly meant for encoding issues and those
trigger points have disappeared as encodings are gone now.
Hans
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* Re: mistake in lang-cjk.mkiv
2010-05-06 20:16 ` Hans Hagen
2010-05-07 7:25 ` language specifics (was: Re: mistake in lang-cjk.mkiv) Peter Münster
@ 2010-05-09 8:30 ` Tomáš Pustelník
2010-05-09 8:47 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Tomáš Pustelník @ 2010-05-09 8:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
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>> Also I would like to ask if file lang-spe.mkii have some equivalent in
>> MkIV and where the language specifics are defined (in which file)? Or is
>> it treated in enco files?
>
> in mkiv we don't have (want) language specifics ... why do yoi need them?
>
> Hans
Well I actually don't need them, I browse source codes and I found it there.
It looks quite useful so I was wondering, if in MkIV is this implemented as
well. Could you please tell me, why specifics weren't implemented in MkIV
(why don't we want them)? And is there any other mechanics which replace
language specifics in MkIV? And just to be sure. In MkII language specifics
are still working, right?
Also are there any documents or information sources where I could find info
about encoding in ConTeXt? I could use them for my bachelor thesis.
Thank you for answer.
Tomas Pustelnik
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* Re: mistake in lang-cjk.mkiv
2010-05-06 20:16 ` Hans Hagen
2010-05-07 7:25 ` language specifics (was: Re: mistake in lang-cjk.mkiv) Peter Münster
2010-05-09 8:30 ` mistake in lang-cjk.mkiv Tomáš Pustelník
@ 2010-05-09 8:47 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-05-09 10:02 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2010-05-09 8:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 06.05.10 22:16, schrieb Hans Hagen:
>> Also I would like to ask if file lang-spe.mkii have some equivalent
>> in MkIV and where the language specifics are defined (in which
>> file)? Or is it treated in enco files?
>
> in mkiv we don't have (want) language specifics ... why do yoi need them?
languagespecifics are not needed but we need a method to load language
dependend setups, e.g. for french you can have in lang-ger
\startsetups [fr] [punctuation]
\setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation]
\stopsetups
\startsetups [fr] [itemize]
\setupitemize[symbol=2]
\stopsetups
and in your document you can load them with
\setuplanguage[fr][setups={punctuation,itemize}]
or
\enablelanguagesetups[punctuation,itemize]
Wolfgang
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2010-05-09 8:47 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2010-05-09 10:02 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-05-09 10:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 9-5-2010 10:47, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> Am 06.05.10 22:16, schrieb Hans Hagen:
>>> Also I would like to ask if file lang-spe.mkii have some equivalent
>>> in MkIV and where the language specifics are defined (in which file)?
>>> Or is it treated in enco files?
>>
>> in mkiv we don't have (want) language specifics ... why do yoi need them?
>
> languagespecifics are not needed but we need a method to load language
> dependend setups, e.g. for french you can have in lang-ger
>
> \startsetups [fr] [punctuation]
>
> \setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation]
>
> \stopsetups
>
> \startsetups [fr] [itemize]
>
> \setupitemize[symbol=2]
>
> \stopsetups
>
> and in your document you can load them with
>
> \setuplanguage[fr][setups={punctuation,itemize}]
>
> or
>
> \enablelanguagesetups[punctuation,itemize]
indeed setups is the way to go
\enablelanguagesetups is somewhat tricky as we then also want to disable
them selectively which boils down to either tagging them all internally
or let lua deal with sets in which case we need some optimization to
prevent redundant calls
also, we need the reverse actions then i.e. for german we want to
disable the punctuation
\startsetups [fr] [punctuation:reset]
\resetcharacterspacing
\stopsetups
and for style changes that's quite some extra code (and adding an extra
level of language hashes to each mechanism is also no solution)
so, we might distinguish between 'mainlanguage' and local 'language'
\startlanguagesetups [fr:punctuation:set] % local language
\setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation]
\stopsetups
\startlanguagesetups [fr:punctuation:reset] % local language
\resetcharacterspacing
\stopsetups
\startlanguagesetups [fr:itemize] % mainlanguage
\setupitemize[symbol=2]
\stopsetups
or so ... needs bit of thinking
Hans
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