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* error in first-setup.sh
@ 2010-06-08 11:23 luigi scarso
  2010-06-08 11:36 ` Taco Hoekwater
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From: luigi scarso @ 2010-06-08 11:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On my linux box32bit
$>bash first-setup.sh

stops with
# bash first-setup.sh
receiving file list ... done

sent 37 bytes  received 132 bytes  112.67 bytes/sec
total size is 4450786  speedup is 26336.01
MTXrun | fileio: variable 'SELFAUTOLOC' set to
'/opt/luatex/minimals-beta-2010/bin'
MTXrun | fileio: variable 'SELFAUTODIR' set to '/opt/luatex/minimals-beta-2010'
MTXrun | fileio: variable 'SELFAUTOPARENT' set to '/opt/luatex'
MTXrun | fileio: variable 'TEXMFCNF' set to
'{$SELFAUTODIR,$SELFAUTOPARENT}{,{/share,}/texmf{-local,.local,}/web2c}'
MTXrun | fileio: fatal error: no lua configuration files found


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* Re: error in first-setup.sh
  2010-06-08 11:23 error in first-setup.sh luigi scarso
@ 2010-06-08 11:36 ` Taco Hoekwater
  2010-06-08 14:50   ` Yury G. Kudryashov
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2010-06-08 11:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
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luigi scarso wrote:
> On my linux box32bit
> $>bash first-setup.sh
> 
> stops with
> # bash first-setup.sh
> receiving file list ... done
> 
> sent 37 bytes  received 132 bytes  112.67 bytes/sec
> total size is 4450786  speedup is 26336.01
> MTXrun | fileio: variable 'SELFAUTOLOC' set to
> '/opt/luatex/minimals-beta-2010/bin'
> MTXrun | fileio: variable 'SELFAUTODIR' set to '/opt/luatex/minimals-beta-2010'
> MTXrun | fileio: variable 'SELFAUTOPARENT' set to '/opt/luatex'
> MTXrun | fileio: variable 'TEXMFCNF' set to
> '{$SELFAUTODIR,$SELFAUTOPARENT}{,{/share,}/texmf{-local,.local,}/web2c}'
> MTXrun | fileio: fatal error: no lua configuration files found

Beta is a tad unstable at the moment, should be better in an hour or so.

Best wishes,
Taco
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* Re: error in first-setup.sh
  2010-06-08 11:36 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2010-06-08 14:50   ` Yury G. Kudryashov
  2010-06-08 14:57     ` Mojca Miklavec
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From: Yury G. Kudryashov @ 2010-06-08 14:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Taco Hoekwater wrote:

> luigi scarso wrote:
>> On my linux box32bit
>> $>bash first-setup.sh
>> 
>> stops with
> Beta is a tad unstable at the moment, should be better in an hour or so.
It seems that the real problem is in setup/linux-64/bin files which are 
rsync'ed by first-run.sh before running mtxrun. So, it is not even possible 
to install an old ConTeXt using minimals.

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* Re: error in first-setup.sh
  2010-06-08 14:50   ` Yury G. Kudryashov
@ 2010-06-08 14:57     ` Mojca Miklavec
  2010-06-09  9:01       ` Yury G. Kudryashov
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From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2010-06-08 14:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 16:50, Yury G. Kudryashov <urkud@ya.ru> wrote:
> Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>
>> luigi scarso wrote:
>>> On my linux box32bit
>>> $>bash first-setup.sh
>>>
>>> stops with
>> Beta is a tad unstable at the moment, should be better in an hour or so.
> It seems that the real problem is in setup/linux-64/bin files which are
> rsync'ed by first-run.sh before running mtxrun. So, it is not even possible
> to install an old ConTeXt using minimals.

It should be fixed soon (Hans already sent a patch that fixes it), but
in the meantime you may comment out the line that syncs mtxrun and
take an older mtxrun.lua -> mtxrun from archive (for example from
current).

I'm a bit afraid that the new texmfcnf.lua that is needed will break
the "current" though.

Mojca
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* Re: error in first-setup.sh
  2010-06-08 14:57     ` Mojca Miklavec
@ 2010-06-09  9:01       ` Yury G. Kudryashov
  2010-06-09 12:02         ` Mojca Miklavec
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From: Yury G. Kudryashov @ 2010-06-09  9:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

Mojca Miklavec wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 16:50, Yury G. Kudryashov <urkud@ya.ru> wrote:
>> Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>>
>>> luigi scarso wrote:
>>>> On my linux box32bit
>>>> $>bash first-setup.sh
>>>>
>>>> stops with
>>> Beta is a tad unstable at the moment, should be better in an hour or so.
>> It seems that the real problem is in setup/linux-64/bin files which are
>> rsync'ed by first-run.sh before running mtxrun. So, it is not even
>> possible to install an old ConTeXt using minimals.
> 
> It should be fixed soon (Hans already sent a patch that fixes it), but
> in the meantime you may comment out the line that syncs mtxrun and
> take an older mtxrun.lua -> mtxrun from archive (for example from
> current).
> 
> I'm a bit afraid that the new texmfcnf.lua that is needed will break
> the "current" though.
Yes, it breaks "current". Could you please either fix it in beta, or post 
the patch to ML?

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* Re: error in first-setup.sh
  2010-06-09  9:01       ` Yury G. Kudryashov
@ 2010-06-09 12:02         ` Mojca Miklavec
  2010-06-09 12:23           ` Michael Murphy
  2010-06-09 12:24           ` Taco Hoekwater
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From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2010-06-09 12:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 11:01, Yury G. Kudryashov wrote:
>
> Could you please either fix it in beta, or post the patch to ML?

Does it now work again?

Mojca
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* Re: error in first-setup.sh
  2010-06-09 12:02         ` Mojca Miklavec
@ 2010-06-09 12:23           ` Michael Murphy
  2010-06-09 12:24           ` Taco Hoekwater
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From: Michael Murphy @ 2010-06-09 12:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 09/06/10 14:02, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 11:01, Yury G. Kudryashov wrote:
>>
>> Could you please either fix it in beta, or post the patch to ML?
>
> Does it now work again?
>
> Mojca

Works for me.

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* Re: error in first-setup.sh
  2010-06-09 12:02         ` Mojca Miklavec
  2010-06-09 12:23           ` Michael Murphy
@ 2010-06-09 12:24           ` Taco Hoekwater
  2010-06-09 13:08             ` luigi scarso
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2010-06-09 12:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 11:01, Yury G. Kudryashov wrote:
>> Could you please either fix it in beta, or post the patch to ML?
> 
> Does it now work again?

At least it seems ok now in a fresh install. I just did one
of those, and there is only one thing that I noticed: I had to
run 'texexec --make en' by hand. I don't know if that is normal?

Everything else seems to work fine.

Best wishes,
Taco

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* Re: error in first-setup.sh
  2010-06-09 12:24           ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2010-06-09 13:08             ` luigi scarso
  2010-06-09 13:15               ` Andreas Schneider
  2010-06-09 13:30               ` Mojca Miklavec
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From: luigi scarso @ 2010-06-09 13:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> wrote:
> At least it seems ok now in a fresh install. I just did one
> of those, and there is only one thing that I noticed: I had to
> run 'texexec --make en' by hand. I don't know if that is normal?
>
> Everything else seems to work fine.

Not here on my linux 32 bit box :

MTXrun | run: mktexlsr
sh: mktexlsr: not found

/opt/luatex/minimals-beta-2010/bin/mtxrun:9270: cannot open
tree:////opt/luatex/minimals-beta-2010/tex/texmf-project/: No such
file or directory
but texmf-project exists


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* Re: error in first-setup.sh
  2010-06-09 13:08             ` luigi scarso
@ 2010-06-09 13:15               ` Andreas Schneider
  2010-06-09 13:34                 ` Michael Murphy
  2010-06-09 13:30               ` Mojca Miklavec
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From: Andreas Schneider @ 2010-06-09 13:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ntg-context

luigi scarso wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> wrote:
>> At least it seems ok now in a fresh install. I just did one
>> of those, and there is only one thing that I noticed: I had to
>> run 'texexec --make en' by hand. I don't know if that is normal?
>>
>> Everything else seems to work fine.
> 
> Not here on my linux 32 bit box :
> 
> MTXrun | run: mktexlsr
> sh: mktexlsr: not found
> 
> /opt/luatex/minimals-beta-2010/bin/mtxrun:9270: cannot open
> tree:////opt/luatex/minimals-beta-2010/tex/texmf-project/: No such
> file or directory
> but texmf-project exists
> 
> 

Same here, but it can be "easily" circumvented by sourcing setuptex first.
(in my case: source tex/setuptex && sh first-setup.sh)

But the stubs, or mtxrun, or whatever handles that usually indeed doesn't 
seem to set paths correctly anymore. On Windows I could have texworks just 
call context.exe and everything worked, now I have to make sure, 
setuptex.bat was executed first.

Best Regards,
Andreas.

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* Re: error in first-setup.sh
  2010-06-09 13:08             ` luigi scarso
  2010-06-09 13:15               ` Andreas Schneider
@ 2010-06-09 13:30               ` Mojca Miklavec
  2010-06-09 17:35                 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2010-06-09 13:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
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> MTXrun | run: mktexlsr
> sh: mktexlsr: not found
>
> /opt/luatex/minimals-beta-2010/bin/mtxrun:9270: cannot open
> tree:////opt/luatex/minimals-beta-2010/tex/texmf-project/: No such
> file or directory
> but texmf-project exists

Oh, right. I wanted to say that as well (but the most important thing
was to get the update work at all).

Hans, the platform isn't properly recognized any more:

MTXrun | preset : TEXPATH => /Users/mojca/context/tex
MTXrun | preset : TEXOS   => /Users/mojca/context
MTXrun | preset : TEXMFOS => /Users/mojca/context/tex//Users/mojca/context

TEXOS should return "osx-64", not "/Users/mojca/context".

In the long run I would really like to avoid that step (mtxrun
guessing the platform), but at this moment it will be the easiest to
get this fixed.

I have also noticed the complaint about missing texmf-project. It
should be harmless, but it may be better not to make it look like an
error.

Mojca
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* Re: error in first-setup.sh
  2010-06-09 13:15               ` Andreas Schneider
@ 2010-06-09 13:34                 ` Michael Murphy
  2010-06-09 13:49                   ` Bernhard Rosensteiner
  2010-06-09 14:02                   ` Mojca Miklavec
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From: Michael Murphy @ 2010-06-09 13:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 09/06/10 15:15, Andreas Schneider wrote:
> luigi scarso wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Taco Hoekwater<taco@elvenkind.com>  wrote:
>>> At least it seems ok now in a fresh install. I just did one
>>> of those, and there is only one thing that I noticed: I had to
>>> run 'texexec --make en' by hand. I don't know if that is normal?
>>>
>>> Everything else seems to work fine.
>>
>> Not here on my linux 32 bit box :
>>
>> MTXrun | run: mktexlsr
>> sh: mktexlsr: not found
>>
>> /opt/luatex/minimals-beta-2010/bin/mtxrun:9270: cannot open
>> tree:////opt/luatex/minimals-beta-2010/tex/texmf-project/: No such
>> file or directory
>> but texmf-project exists
>>
>>
>
> Same here, but it can be "easily" circumvented by sourcing setuptex first.
> (in my case: source tex/setuptex&&  sh first-setup.sh)
>
> But the stubs, or mtxrun, or whatever handles that usually indeed doesn't
> seem to set paths correctly anymore. On Windows I could have texworks just
> call context.exe and everything worked, now I have to make sure,
> setuptex.bat was executed first.
>

Seems I spoke too soon: I can indeed get hold of the latest version, but 
if I want an older version (like --context=2010.06.24), I run into the 
same problem as luigi. And I do want an older version, since for some 
reason the kerning is a bit screwed up on current.

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* Re: error in first-setup.sh
  2010-06-09 13:34                 ` Michael Murphy
@ 2010-06-09 13:49                   ` Bernhard Rosensteiner
  2010-06-09 14:02                   ` Mojca Miklavec
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> Seems I spoke too soon: I can indeed get hold of the latest version, but if I want an older version (like --context=2010.06.24), I run into the same problem as luigi. And I do want an older version, since for some reason the kerning is a bit screwed up on current.

confirm that with kerning

best regards
Bernhard


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* Re: error in first-setup.sh
  2010-06-09 13:34                 ` Michael Murphy
  2010-06-09 13:49                   ` Bernhard Rosensteiner
@ 2010-06-09 14:02                   ` Mojca Miklavec
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From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2010-06-09 14:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 15:34, Michael Murphy wrote:
> On 09/06/10 15:15, Andreas Schneider wrote:
>
> Seems I spoke too soon: I can indeed get hold of the latest version, but if
> I want an older version (like --context=2010.06.24),

I would like that version too :) :) :) :)

> I run into the same
> problem as luigi. And I do want an older version, since for some reason the
> kerning is a bit screwed up on current.

There are basically two problems. Problem nr. 1 with an easy solution:
1.) syncing luatools has been disabled

if platform == 'mswin' then
    bin = bin:gsub("([a-zA-Z]):/", "/cygdrive/%1/")
    texroot = texroot:gsub("([a-zA-Z]):/", "/cygdrive/%1/")
    command = string.format("%s -t
%s/texmf-context/scripts/context/lua/%s.lua %s/texmf-mswin/bin/", bin,
texroot, script, texroot)
else
    command = string.format("%s -tgo --chmod=a+x
%s/texmf-context/scripts/context/lua/%s.lua %s/texmf-%s/bin/%s", bin,
texroot, script, texroot, platform, script)
end

Hans, can you please re-enable syncing of luatools, but in case of
non-windows taking
    %s/texmf-context/scripts/context/stubs/unix/%s instead of
    %s/texmf-context/scripts/context/lua/%s.lua
and in case of windows check if that *.lua exists; if yes, copy it,
else ignore it.

It would be nice to keep support for at least the latest "ConTeXt
current", at least until the next current is out.

Michael, if you want to fix it manually, just copy the old version of
luatools.lua from scripts/context/stubs/unix.

The problem #2 is that despite my desire to have backward-compatible
cnf file, apparently luatools is not able to read in the new format. A
home-made solution: in texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua remove everything but
the last line that sets TEXMFCACHE.

Mojca
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* Re: error in first-setup.sh
  2010-06-09 13:30               ` Mojca Miklavec
@ 2010-06-09 17:35                 ` Hans Hagen
  2010-06-10 16:03                   ` Mojca Miklavec
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-06-09 17:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Mojca Miklavec

On 9-6-2010 3:30, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

> I have also noticed the complaint about missing texmf-project. It
> should be harmless, but it may be better not to make it look like an
> error.

how about adding texmf-project and texmf-fonts (maybe with a dummy 
readme in the root)

Hans


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* Re: error in first-setup.sh
  2010-06-09 17:35                 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2010-06-10 16:03                   ` Mojca Miklavec
  2010-06-10 16:15                     ` luigi scarso
  2010-06-10 17:53                     ` Hans Hagen
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From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2010-06-10 16:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Hans Hagen; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users

On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 19:35, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> On 9-6-2010 3:30, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>
>> I have also noticed the complaint about missing texmf-project. It
>> should be harmless, but it may be better not to make it look like an
>> error.
>
> how about adding texmf-project and texmf-fonts (maybe with a dummy readme in
> the root)

I could, but aren't there enough trees already? We could add a global
README saying that one may add those two trees if one wishes.

Mojca
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* Re: error in first-setup.sh
  2010-06-10 16:03                   ` Mojca Miklavec
@ 2010-06-10 16:15                     ` luigi scarso
  2010-06-10 17:39                       ` Hans Hagen
  2010-06-10 17:53                     ` Hans Hagen
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From: luigi scarso @ 2010-06-10 16:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Mojca Miklavec
<mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 19:35, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>> On 9-6-2010 3:30, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>>
>>> I have also noticed the complaint about missing texmf-project. It
>>> should be harmless, but it may be better not to make it look like an
>>> error.
>>
>> how about adding texmf-project and texmf-fonts (maybe with a dummy readme in
>> the root)
>
> I could, but aren't there enough trees already? We could add a global
> README saying that one may add those two trees if one wishes.
I have found texmf-project really useful;
for fonts I simply create a font tds like
texmf-project/fonts/opentype/public/libertine

and it works well too;
otherwise I use that one under texmf, ie
texmf/fonts/opentype/public/poltawski



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* Re: error in first-setup.sh
  2010-06-10 16:15                     ` luigi scarso
@ 2010-06-10 17:39                       ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-06-10 17:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: mailing list for ConTeXt users

On 10-6-2010 6:15, luigi scarso wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Mojca Miklavec
> <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 19:35, Hans Hagen<pragma@wxs.nl>  wrote:
>>> On 9-6-2010 3:30, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have also noticed the complaint about missing texmf-project. It
>>>> should be harmless, but it may be better not to make it look like an
>>>> error.
>>>
>>> how about adding texmf-project and texmf-fonts (maybe with a dummy readme in
>>> the root)
>>
>> I could, but aren't there enough trees already? We could add a global
>> README saying that one may add those two trees if one wishes.
> I have found texmf-project really useful;
> for fonts I simply create a font tds like
> texmf-project/fonts/opentype/public/libertine
>
> and it works well too;
> otherwise I use that one under texmf, ie
> texmf/fonts/opentype/public/poltawski

or just:

texmf-fonts/fonts/data/public/poltawski/*

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* Re: error in first-setup.sh
  2010-06-10 16:03                   ` Mojca Miklavec
  2010-06-10 16:15                     ` luigi scarso
@ 2010-06-10 17:53                     ` Hans Hagen
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-06-10 17:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Mojca Miklavec; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users

On 10-6-2010 6:03, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 19:35, Hans Hagen<pragma@wxs.nl>  wrote:
>> On 9-6-2010 3:30, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>>
>>> I have also noticed the complaint about missing texmf-project. It
>>> should be harmless, but it may be better not to make it look like an
>>> error.
>>
>> how about adding texmf-project and texmf-fonts (maybe with a dummy readme in
>> the root)
>
> I could, but aren't there enough trees already? We could add a global
> README saying that one may add those two trees if one wishes.

well, they are supported in the cnf and i always use them -)

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