From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/60126 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Taco Hoekwater Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Example ConTeXt document: PS output Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:42:38 +0200 Message-ID: <4C38165E.6020209@elvenkind.com> References: Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1278744211 16066 80.91.229.12 (10 Jul 2010 06:43:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 06:43:31 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sat Jul 10 08:43:30 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OXTmc-0007jz-BF for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:43:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE9EC9C95; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:43:26 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id XNMS4BJ+3Vs6; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:43:23 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2CDC9C7F; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:43:23 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38487C9C7F for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:43:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id NtXtKFsuiUS9 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:43:20 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.32]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C74BC9AAA for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:43:19 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from boo.fritz.box (boo.demon.nl [83.163.247.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o6A6gxbA067516; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:42:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from taco@elvenkind.com) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100614 Mandriva/3.0.4-11mdv2010.1 (2010.1) Thunderbird/3.0.4 In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:60126 Archived-At: Hi, On 07/10/2010 07:46 AM, Michael Talbot-Wilson wrote: > > Running I think any browser on any Linux system, if I see a PDF file > on the Web and click on print, and then print to a file, I > automatically finish up with a .ps file. Which I can display with gv. > The PDF format was all the time redundant. I can print that file directly from the pdf reader in that case (and I have a fairly standard PostScript printer), so from my point of view it is .ps that is the redundant format. > And even I prefer to avoid unnecessary conversions of image formats > when I only want to print images. Using Photoshop I save as EPS, > switch to Linux, run eplain, print a PostScript image (and text) on a > PostScript printer, and that's the end of it. Not that I want to criticize you workflow, if it works for you, that it is fine and there is no need to change it. But you could have saved as PNG, JPG, or PDF instead, and there would not be a need for conversion. > I would like the high-level conveniences of ConTeXt, the ones I > mentioned, but they don't supersede the rest. > > The luatex manpage in luatex-beta-0.60.2.tar.bz2 says: > > "In DVI mode, luaTeX can be used as a complete replacement for the > TeX engine." In DVI mode, luatex can be used to replace TeX, yes. But in that case, you loose some important new features, because they are not supported by DVI format (opentype fonts, unicode support). For that reason, Hans decided not to support DVI mode for luatex in context MkIV. Talking as a luatex developer: If you want something better than what you have, you will have to be prepared to make some changes yourself as well. Life is too short for us freeware developers to keep supporting all existing setups on top of trying to improve things. Writing extensions to the DVI format (and all its processing tools) seemed like a waste of my time to me especially since everything we wanted to do in luatex is supported by PDF. You can, however, use context MkII ('texexec') which uses pdftex, and still have some of your wishes by making it output DVI files: texexec --backend=dvi ... I don't recall whether texexec calls dvips automatically, you probably have to do that manually. You won't be able to use OpenType fonts in that case and Unicode support will be somewhat dodgy, but you will still get the tight document-level integration with metapost that is always provided in context. Best wishes, Taco ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________