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From: Alain Delmotte <esperanto@swing.be>
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Subject: Re: Grammar
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:14:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C502D30.20901@swing.be> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <17050E48-2AB2-4188-A4DC-4115062D54E1@fiee.net>

Hi!

Henning Hraban Ramm a écrit :
> So, as several other posters already said: It's not the words who are to 
> blame, but the speakers and their mind sets...

Let me just add a comment about he/she and the willing of 
the speakers.

In Esperanto, there is
li = he
ŝi = she (same pronunciation)
ĝi = it (pronounce ĝ like j in just : dj)

The neutral is used when you do not specify the gender (like 
speaking about a cat without specifying male or female) or 
when there is no gender (for an object).
But Zamenhof, the initiator of Esperanto, said you also use 
it for young humans, like babies.
So it is a real neutral form.

But people want to keep their own use (the use from their 
language) and only keep ĝi for objects.
(even if, for example in English, one uses "she" when 
speaking about ones boat!!)
Some other want to have "ŝli" as neutral.
Other again want to suppress li and ŝi and only have "ri".

There is no solution to the problem; any solution will find 
people not agreeing for one or another reason.

But one has to try to avoid discrimination.

Alain

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-07-28 13:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-26 16:23 Grammar Richard Stephens
2010-07-26 20:20 ` Grammar John Haltiwanger
2010-07-26 20:48   ` Grammar Khaled Hosny
2010-07-26 21:25   ` Grammar Hans Hagen
2010-07-27  8:47   ` Grammar Marcin Borkowski
2010-07-27 13:06     ` Grammar John Haltiwanger
2010-07-27 13:17       ` Grammar Hans Hagen
2010-07-27 13:24         ` Grammar luigi scarso
2010-07-27 13:26         ` Grammar Procházka Lukáš
2010-07-27 13:38           ` Grammar Taco Hoekwater
2010-07-27 15:16           ` Grammar Matija Šuklje
2010-07-27 15:28             ` Grammar Arthur Reutenauer
2010-07-27 15:38               ` Grammar Matija Šuklje
2010-07-27 13:31       ` Grammar Arthur Reutenauer
2010-07-27 14:12         ` Grammar John Haltiwanger
2010-07-27 15:04           ` Grammar Arthur Reutenauer
2010-07-27 14:10       ` Grammar David Rogers
2010-07-27 14:15         ` Grammar Hans Hagen
2010-07-27 16:33           ` Grammar David Rogers
2010-07-27 16:59             ` Grammar Matija Šuklje
2010-07-27 17:03               ` Grammar Taco Hoekwater
2010-07-27 15:27       ` Grammar Matija Šuklje
2010-07-27 17:08         ` Grammar John Haltiwanger
2010-07-27 23:10         ` Grammar Marcin Borkowski
2010-07-27 23:40           ` Grammar Hans Hagen
2010-07-28  9:28           ` Grammar Henning Hraban Ramm
2010-07-28 13:14             ` Alain Delmotte [this message]
2010-07-27 22:57       ` Grammar Marcin Borkowski
2010-07-28  5:00         ` Grammar David Rogers
2010-07-28 12:45           ` Grammar Marcin Borkowski
2010-07-28  9:29         ` Grammar John Haltiwanger
2010-07-28  9:39           ` Grammar Thomas A. Schmitz
2010-07-28 13:00             ` Grammar Marcin Borkowski
2010-07-28 13:12           ` Grammar Marcin Borkowski
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-07-24 22:50 Semantic data in ConTeXt? Matija Šuklje
2010-07-25 21:33 ` Matija Šuklje
2010-07-25 23:47   ` Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?) David Rogers
2010-07-26  8:23     ` Matija Šuklje
2010-07-26  9:48       ` John Haltiwanger
2010-07-26 10:06         ` Grammar Hans Hagen
2010-07-26 10:20           ` Grammar luigi scarso
2010-07-26 11:56             ` Grammar Matija Šuklje
2010-07-26 12:38               ` Grammar Hans Hagen
2010-07-26 19:33               ` Grammar Martin Schröder
2010-07-26 20:44                 ` Grammar Matija Šuklje
2010-07-27 16:53         ` Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?) Rory Molinari
2010-07-27 23:12           ` Marcin Borkowski
2010-07-28  0:00             ` Grammar Hans Hagen
2010-07-28  9:33               ` Grammar John Haltiwanger

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