fonts (in luatex) (again)

fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Andrea Valle]

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Following Wolfgang's advice (thanks) I have followed the delicious  
thread.
So I have
1. downloaded the fonts and installed automatically via macosx  
Fontbook app (they are available in my system)
2. I have created a file named type-delicious.tex containing:

\starttypescript [sans] [delicious]
\setups[font:fallback:sans]
\definefontsynonym [Sans] [Delicious-Regular]
\definefontsynonym [SansItalic] [Delicious-Italic]
\definefontsynonym [SansBold] [Delicious-Bold]
\definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic] [Delicious-BoldItalic]
\definefontsynonym [SansCaps] [Delicious-Caps]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [sans] [delicious]
\definefontsynonym [Delicious-Regular] [name:Delicious-Roman]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [Delicious-Italic] [name:Delicious-Italic]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [Delicious-Bold] [name:Delicious-Bold]
[features=default]
\definefontsynonym [Delicious-BoldItalic]
[name:Delicious-BoldItalic] [features=default]
\definefontsynonym [Delicious-Caps] [name:Delicious-SmallCaps]
[features=default]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [delicious]
\definetypeface [delicious] [ss] [sans] [delicious] [default]
\stoptypescript


(which I do not understand: but that's another story)

I have saved the file under the same folder of tex file I'm working at

3. then I have called: context --generate

4. In my tex file I have added:
\usetypefile [delicious]
\usetypescript[delicious]
\setupbodyfont[delicious]

5. while compiling I'm having a problem with  delicious.
Log attached

?
Thanks

Best

-a-




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--------------------------------------------------
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"
Think of it as seasoning
. noise [salt] is boring
. F(blah) [food without salt] can be boring
. F(noise, blah) can be really tasty
"
(Ken Perlin on noise)






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Setting "/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex" as TEXROOT.
(/paperiProgetti/CIMXVII/abstractShort.tex

ConTeXt  ver: 2008.06.22 17:38 MKIV  fmt: 2008.6.26  int: english/english

language       : language en is active
system         : cont-new loaded
(/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex
systems         : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex
(/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/cont-new.mkiv
lua            : used config path - /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf
lua            : used cache path - /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/aac20ce207a097b4b480d7b5eb76554a
) (/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/cont-mtx.tex))
system         : cont-old loaded
(/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/cont-old.tex
loading        : Context Old Macros
)
system         : cont-fil loaded
(/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/cont-fil.tex
loading        : Context File Synonyms
)
system         : cont-sys loaded
(/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/user/cont-sys.tex (/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-tmf.tex) (/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-otf.tex))
bodyfont       : 12pt rm is loaded
specials       : tex loaded
system         : abstractShort.top loaded
(abstractShort.top
specials       : loading definition file tpd
(/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/spec-tpd.tex
specials       : loading definition file fdf
(/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/spec-fdf.tex (/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/spec-fdf.mkiv))
specials       : fdf loaded
)
specials       : fdf loaded
)
system         : module bib loaded
(/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/bib/t-bib.tex
publications   : loading formatting style from bibl-apa
(/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/bib/bibl-apa.tex))
publications   : wrote a new auxiliary file abstractShort.aux
publications   : loading formatting style from bibl-aps
(/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/bib/bibl-aps.tex) (type-delicious.tex) (/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-tmf.tex) (/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-otf.tex) (/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-tmf.tex) (/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-otf.tex) (/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-tmf.tex) (/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context
 /base/type-otf.tex)
fontnames | identifying tree font files with suffix otf
fontnames | 161 tree files identified, 482 hash entries added, runtime 3.4771559238434 seconds
fontnames | identifying tree font files with suffix ttf
fontnames | 1 tree files identified, 4 hash entries added, runtime 0.058985948562622 seconds
fontnames | identifying tree font files with suffix ttc
fontnames | 0 tree files identified, 0 hash entries added, runtime 0.030790090560913 seconds
fontnames | identifying tree font files with suffix afm
fontnames | 69 tree files identified, 148 hash entries added, runtime 0.3097710609436 seconds
fontnames | identifying system font files with suffix otf
fontnames | 0 system files identified, 0 hash entries added, runtime 0.00014305114746094 seconds
fontnames | identifying system font files with suffix ttf
fontnames | 0 system files identified, 0 hash entries added, runtime 0.000037 seconds
fontnames | identifying system font files with suffix ttc
fontnames | 0 system files identified, 0 hash entries added, runtime 0.000009 seconds
fontnames | identifying system font files with suffix afm
fontnames | 0 system files identified, 0 hash entries added, runtime 0.000015 seconds
define font | font with name Delicious-Roman is not found
define font | unknown font Delicious-Roman, loading aborted
! Font \*delicious12ptsstfss*:=name:Delicious-Roman*default at 12pt not loadable: metric data not found or bad.
<to be read again> 
                   \relax 
\xxdododefinefont ...tspec {#4}\newfontidentifier 
                                                  \let \localrelativefontsiz...
\fontstrategy ...me \fontclass #2#3#4#5\endcsname 
                                                  \tryingfontfalse \fi 
<inserted text> ...yle \fontalternative \fontsize 
                                                  \fi \iftryingfont \fontstr...
\synchronizefont ...strategy \the \fontstrategies 
                                                  \relax \fi \iftryingfont \...
<argument> \getvalue {\@style@ \fontstyle }
                                           \edef \fontstyle {\fontstyle }\if...
...
l.10 \setupbodyfont[delicious]
                              
? 
! Emergency stop.
<to be read again> 
                   \relax 
\xxdododefinefont ...tspec {#4}\newfontidentifier 
                                                  \let \localrelativefontsiz...
\fontstrategy ...me \fontclass #2#3#4#5\endcsname 
                                                  \tryingfontfalse \fi 
<inserted text> ...yle \fontalternative \fontsize 
                                                  \fi \iftryingfont \fontstr...
\synchronizefont ...strategy \the \fontstrategies 
                                                  \relax \fi \iftryingfont \...
<argument> \getvalue {\@style@ \fontstyle }
                                           \edef \fontstyle {\fontstyle }\if...
...
l.10 \setupbodyfont[delicious]
                              
!  ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!
MtxRun | loading configuration for /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf/web2c from /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/aac20ce207a097b4b480d7b5eb76554a/trees/d9ef00871d7b11751a275cffd8a85753
MtxRun | run 1: luatex --fmt="/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/aac20ce207a097b4b480d7b5eb76554a/formats/cont-en" --lua="/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/aac20ce207a097b4b480d7b5eb76554a/formats/cont-en.lua" "/paperiProgetti/CIMXVII/abstractShort.tex"
MtxRun | return code: 1
MtxRun | fatal error, run aborted

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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Charles P. Schaum]

This first bit differentiates a "backend" that refers to your font and a
"frontend" that you normally work with. Why?

Macros, macros, macros. Let's put it this way: You could have a myriad
of styles. That's what many in the WYSIWYG world do. Then ... they have
to keep track of them all.

But TeX, as a Turing-complete programming language that could
theoretically be used for lots of things, has the design of local
redefinition, so that "sans" within a group or a macro can be redefined
to something other than delicious without you needing to worry about
keeping track of global style changes.

In short, like the Unix "small is beautiful" philosophy (and good
programming) you make parts of your document that work, you put the
working parts together, and the whole thing should have a good shot at
working. It will also be remarkably consistent and behave in a manner
that is more regular than, for example, Word's typesetting engine.

And if you are working on a source for different outputs or even
different possibilities of publication, you can switch out a font
without having to muck about through every font reference in your
document, saving hours of labor.
> 
> \starttypescript [sans] [delicious] 
> \setups[font:fallback:sans] 
> \definefontsynonym [Sans] [Delicious-Regular] 
> \definefontsynonym [SansItalic] [Delicious-Italic] 
> \definefontsynonym [SansBold] [Delicious-Bold] 
> \definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic] [Delicious-BoldItalic] 
> \definefontsynonym [SansCaps] [Delicious-Caps] 
> \stoptypescript 
> 

As I understand, this next bit maps the "expectations" of the
typesetting engine to the capabilities of the font. For example, when
working with InDesign/InCopy and importing things from Word, there's a
difference between character style mappings and local overrides.

Word processors usually employ local overrides. That means usually the
typesetting engine picks from the alternative of a font face for bold,
italic, and so on, or it takes the default face and changes its
rasterization to create a faux bold, italic, and so on. In good
typesetting, however, you actually link character styles with actual
fonts, just like you would when hand-compositing blocks of type in a
typecase with lots of clamps and so on.

This bit looks like what character styles do in InDesign. The more I get
into InDesign and work with my designers, the more I understand the
basic typographical principles that make TeX and ConTeXt elegant.
> 
> \starttypescript [sans] [delicious] 
> \definefontsynonym [Delicious-Regular] [name:Delicious-Roman] 
> [features=default] 
> \definefontsynonym [Delicious-Italic] [name:Delicious-Italic] 
> [features=default] 
> \definefontsynonym [Delicious-Bold] [name:Delicious-Bold] 
> [features=default] 
> \definefontsynonym [Delicious-BoldItalic] 
> [name:Delicious-BoldItalic] [features=default] 
> \definefontsynonym [Delicious-Caps] [name:Delicious-SmallCaps] 
> [features=default] 
> \stoptypescript 
> 
> 

The following is not in the Ubuntu-distributed manual, so I am not sure
about it.

> \starttypescript [delicious] 
> \definetypeface [delicious] [ss] [sans] [delicious] [default] 
> \stoptypescript 
> 



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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Hi Andrea,

On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Andrea Valle <valle@di.unito.it> wrote:
> Following Wolfgang's advice (thanks) I have followed the delicious thread.
> So I have
> 1. downloaded the fonts and installed automatically via macosx Fontbook app
> (they are available in my system)
> 2. I have created a file named type-delicious.tex containing:
> \starttypescript [sans] [delicious]
> \setups[font:fallback:sans]
> \definefontsynonym [Sans] [Delicious-Regular]
> \definefontsynonym [SansItalic] [Delicious-Italic]
> \definefontsynonym [SansBold] [Delicious-Bold]
> \definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic] [Delicious-BoldItalic]
> \definefontsynonym [SansCaps] [Delicious-Caps]
> \stoptypescript

> \starttypescript [sans] [delicious]
> \definefontsynonym [Delicious-Regular] [name:Delicious-Roman]
> [features=default]
> \definefontsynonym [Delicious-Italic] [name:Delicious-Italic]
> [features=default]
> \definefontsynonym [Delicious-Bold] [name:Delicious-Bold]
> [features=default]
> \definefontsynonym [Delicious-BoldItalic]
> [name:Delicious-BoldItalic] [features=default]
> \definefontsynonym [Delicious-Caps] [name:Delicious-SmallCaps]
> [features=default]
> \stoptypescript
> \starttypescript [delicious]
> \definetypeface [delicious] [ss] [sans] [delicious] [default]
> \stoptypescript
>
> (which I do not understand: but that's another story)
> I have saved the file under the same folder of tex file I'm working at
> 3. then I have called: context --generate

3.1. Generate name entries for the font database

To access fonts with the name you have to create the database
with the entries:

mtxrun --script font --reload

> 4. In my tex file I have added:
> \usetypefile [delicious]
> \usetypescript[delicious]
> \setupbodyfont[delicious]
> 5. while compiling I'm having a problem with  delicious.
> Log attached

Make a test with the fonts and the files in the same directory.

When this did not work access the fonts by filename and not by
fontname, to do thos you have to replace "name:" by "file:",
this is unproblematic for the delicious fonts because fontname
and filename are equal.

Regards
Wolfgang
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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Andrea Valle]

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Ciao Wolfgang,

> To access fonts with the name you have to create the database
> with the entries:
>
> mtxrun --script font --reload

Thanks, Mojca noticed a bug à propos (if I have understood)

Best

-a-


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Andrea Valle
--------------------------------------------------
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Università degli Studi di Torino
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"
Think of it as seasoning
. noise [salt] is boring
. F(blah) [food without salt] can be boring
. F(noise, blah) can be really tasty
"
(Ken Perlin on noise)






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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Andrea Valle]

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Thanks Charles

A praise from the heart to the devs.
Wouldn't be possibile to support font selection like in XeTeX?
This would make thing really a lot easier for sublunar users like me.

Really, the whole process it's damn' complicated: no one a part 2 or  
3 seems to know the details :)

Best

-a-


On 28 Jun 2008, at 19:55, Charles P. Schaum wrote:

> This first bit differentiates a "backend" that refers to your font  
> and a
> "frontend" that you normally work with. Why?
>
> Macros, macros, macros. Let's put it this way: You could have a myriad
> of styles. That's what many in the WYSIWYG world do. Then ... they  
> have
> to keep track of them all.
>
> But TeX, as a Turing-complete programming language that could
> theoretically be used for lots of things, has the design of local
> redefinition, so that "sans" within a group or a macro can be  
> redefined
> to something other than delicious without you needing to worry about
> keeping track of global style changes.
>
> In short, like the Unix "small is beautiful" philosophy (and good
> programming) you make parts of your document that work, you put the
> working parts together, and the whole thing should have a good shot at
> working. It will also be remarkably consistent and behave in a manner
> that is more regular than, for example, Word's typesetting engine.
>
> And if you are working on a source for different outputs or even
> different possibilities of publication, you can switch out a font
> without having to muck about through every font reference in your
> document, saving hours of labor.
>>
>> \starttypescript [sans] [delicious]
>> \setups[font:fallback:sans]
>> \definefontsynonym [Sans] [Delicious-Regular]
>> \definefontsynonym [SansItalic] [Delicious-Italic]
>> \definefontsynonym [SansBold] [Delicious-Bold]
>> \definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic] [Delicious-BoldItalic]
>> \definefontsynonym [SansCaps] [Delicious-Caps]
>> \stoptypescript
>>
>
> As I understand, this next bit maps the "expectations" of the
> typesetting engine to the capabilities of the font. For example, when
> working with InDesign/InCopy and importing things from Word, there's a
> difference between character style mappings and local overrides.
>
> Word processors usually employ local overrides. That means usually the
> typesetting engine picks from the alternative of a font face for bold,
> italic, and so on, or it takes the default face and changes its
> rasterization to create a faux bold, italic, and so on. In good
> typesetting, however, you actually link character styles with actual
> fonts, just like you would when hand-compositing blocks of type in a
> typecase with lots of clamps and so on.
>
> This bit looks like what character styles do in InDesign. The more  
> I get
> into InDesign and work with my designers, the more I understand the
> basic typographical principles that make TeX and ConTeXt elegant.
>>
>> \starttypescript [sans] [delicious]
>> \definefontsynonym [Delicious-Regular] [name:Delicious-Roman]
>> [features=default]
>> \definefontsynonym [Delicious-Italic] [name:Delicious-Italic]
>> [features=default]
>> \definefontsynonym [Delicious-Bold] [name:Delicious-Bold]
>> [features=default]
>> \definefontsynonym [Delicious-BoldItalic]
>> [name:Delicious-BoldItalic] [features=default]
>> \definefontsynonym [Delicious-Caps] [name:Delicious-SmallCaps]
>> [features=default]
>> \stoptypescript
>>
>>
>
> The following is not in the Ubuntu-distributed manual, so I am not  
> sure
> about it.
>
>> \starttypescript [delicious]
>> \definetypeface [delicious] [ss] [sans] [delicious] [default]
>> \stoptypescript
>>
>
>
>
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--------------------------------------------------
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Università degli Studi di Torino
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--------------------------------------------------


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Think of it as seasoning
. noise [salt] is boring
. F(blah) [food without salt] can be boring
. F(noise, blah) can be really tasty
"
(Ken Perlin on noise)






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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Hans Hagen]

Andrea Valle wrote:
> Thanks Charles
> 
> A praise from the heart to the devs.
> Wouldn't be possibile to support font selection like in XeTeX?
> This would make thing really a lot easier for sublunar users like me.
> 
> Really, the whole process it's damn' complicated: no one a part 2 or 3 
> seems to know the details :)

depends on where you come from ...

\font\whatever=somename<with xetex spec>

should kind of work in luatex

anyhow, the main idea behind the context font system is that one creates 
combinations with symbolic names and then can use those names also 
elsewhere (e.g. using SerifBold when defining a titlepage); if you don't 
use math and just one style, definitions are real simple, but in 
practice you define a combination (serif/sans, mono, math)

you can predefine such a set, give it a name, and then reuse it for 
every document you want; there are a few examples of such typescripts

\usetypescript[palatino][texnansi]

\setupbodyfont[palatino,12pt]

less commands make no sense

any systems takes time to get accustomed to and tex is somewhat 
complicated by the fact that math definitions are part of the game as 
well as that we might want to conbine fonts.

Hans

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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Andrea Valle]

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Thanks Hans

before trying again with Wolfgang's example, I was curious to know.
Is there something broken regarding font selection in luatex?
I thought so.
Just not to invest all the afternoon with no hopes...:)

Best

-a-



On 30 Jun 2008, at 23:06, Hans Hagen wrote:

> Andrea Valle wrote:
>> Thanks Charles
>>
>> A praise from the heart to the devs.
>> Wouldn't be possibile to support font selection like in XeTeX?
>> This would make thing really a lot easier for sublunar users like me.
>>
>> Really, the whole process it's damn' complicated: no one a part 2  
>> or 3
>> seems to know the details :)
>
> depends on where you come from ...
>
> \font\whatever=somename<with xetex spec>
>
> should kind of work in luatex
>
> anyhow, the main idea behind the context font system is that one  
> creates
> combinations with symbolic names and then can use those names also
> elsewhere (e.g. using SerifBold when defining a titlepage); if you  
> don't
> use math and just one style, definitions are real simple, but in
> practice you define a combination (serif/sans, mono, math)
>
> you can predefine such a set, give it a name, and then reuse it for
> every document you want; there are a few examples of such typescripts
>
> \usetypescript[palatino][texnansi]
>
> \setupbodyfont[palatino,12pt]
>
> less commands make no sense
>
> any systems takes time to get accustomed to and tex is somewhat
> complicated by the fact that math definitions are part of the game as
> well as that we might want to conbine fonts.
>
> Hans
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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Hans Hagen]

Andrea Valle wrote:
> Thanks Hans
> 
> before trying again with Wolfgang's example, I was curious to know.
> Is there something broken regarding font selection in luatex?

not that i know of, at least not if you use a recent beta


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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Andrea Valle]

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Ah.
So, what the mail by Mojca meant?

the one starting with:

Hans,

I thought that it had worked some time ago, but it seems that it's
broken. OPENTYPEFONTS seems the right folders, but doesn't find files
in them.
...

Best

-a-


On 2 Jul 2008, at 17:41, Hans Hagen wrote:

> Andrea Valle wrote:
>> Thanks Hans
>>
>> before trying again with Wolfgang's example, I was curious to know.
>> Is there something broken regarding font selection in luatex?
>
> not that i know of, at least not if you use a recent beta
>
>
> Hans
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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Hans Hagen]

Andrea Valle wrote:
> Ah.
> So, what the mail by Mojca meant?
> 
> the one starting with:
> 
> Hans,
> 
> I thought that it had worked some time ago, but it seems that it's
> broken. OPENTYPEFONTS seems the right folders, but doesn't find files
> in them.
> ....

that something is broken om mojca's machine but we're working on it 
(when we have a spare moment)

Hans


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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Diego Depaoli]

2008/7/2 Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>:

>> before trying again with Wolfgang's example, I was curious to know.
>> Is there something broken regarding font selection in luatex?
>
> not that i know of, at least not if you use a recent beta

My primary OS is FreeBSD where the following typescript works with
luatex and fails with texexec <all switches>
In past days on a eeepc with linux xandros the same typescript worked
(not perfectly) with texexec --xtx and failed with luatex.
I made some mess in both OS'es for sure, but which one?

% Typescript for exljbris fonts and other

% Typescript for delicious
% http://www.josbuivenga.demon.nl/delicious.html
% --- from mailing list ----

\starttypescript [sans] [delicious]
    \setups[font:fallback:sans]
    \definefontsynonym [Sans]           [Delicious-Regular]
    \definefontsynonym [SansItalic]     [Delicious-Italic]
    \definefontsynonym [SansBold]       [Delicious-Bold]
    \definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic] [Delicious-BoldItalic]
    \definefontsynonym [SansCaps]       [Delicious-Caps]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [sans] [delicious]
    \definefontsynonym [Delicious-Regular] [name:Delicious-Roman]
[features=default]
    \definefontsynonym [Delicious-Italic]  [name:Delicious-Italic]
[features=default]
    \definefontsynonym [Delicious-Bold]    [name:Delicious-Bold]
[features=default]
    \definefontsynonym [Delicious-BoldItalic]
[name:Delicious-BoldItalic] [features=default]
    \definefontsynonym [Delicious-Caps]    [name:Delicious-SmallCaps]
[features=default]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [delicious]
    \definetypeface [delicious] [ss] [sans] [delicious] [default]
\stoptypescript

% typescript for fertigo
% http://www.josbuivenga.demon.nl/fertigo.html

\starttypescript [sans] [fertigo]
    \setups[font:fallback:sans]
    \definefontsynonym [Sans]           [Fertigo-Regular]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [sans] [fertigo]
    \definefontsynonym [Fertigo-Regular]    [name:Fertigo_18]
[features=default]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [fertigo]
    \definetypeface [fertigo] [ss] [sans] [fertigo] [default]
\stoptypescript

%typescript for fontin-sans
% http://www.josbuivenga.demon.nl/fontinsans.html

\starttypescript [sans] [fontin]
    \setups[font:fallback:sans]
    \definefontsynonym [Sans]           [Fontin-Regular]
    \definefontsynonym [SansItalic]     [Fontin-Italic]
    \definefontsynonym [SansBold]       [Fontin-Bold]
    \definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic] [Fontin-BoldItalic]
    \definefontsynonym [SansCaps]       [Fontin-Caps]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [sans] [fontin]
    \definefontsynonym [Fontin-Regular]    [name:Fontin_Sans_R_45b]
[features=default]
    \definefontsynonym [Fontin-Italic]     [name:Fontin_Sans_I_45b]
[features=default]
    \definefontsynonym [Fontin-Bold]   [name:Fontin_Sans_B_45b]
[features=default]
    \definefontsynonym [Fontin-BoldItalic] [name:Fontin_Sans_BI_45b]
[features=default]
    \definefontsynonym [Fontin-Caps]     [name:Fontin_Sans_SC_45b]
[features=default]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [fontin]
    \definetypeface [fontin] [ss] [sans] [fontin] [default]
\stoptypescript

% typescript for alphamack
% http://www.urbanfonts.com/fonts/AlphaMack.htm

\starttypescript [handwriting] [alphamack]
% \setups[font:fallback:sans]
    \definefontsynonym [Handwriting]           [Alphamack]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [handwriting] [alphamack]
    \definefontsynonym [Alphamack][file:AlphaMack][features=default]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [alphamack]
    \definetypeface [alphamack] [hw] [handwriting] [alphamack] [default]
\stoptypescript

%typescript for journal
%http://www.dafont.com/journal.font

\starttypescript [handwriting] [journal]
    \definefontsynonym [Handwriting]           [journal]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [handwriting] [journal]
    \definefontsynonym [journal]    [file:journal] [features=default]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [journal]
    \definetypeface [journal] [hw] [handwriting] [journal] [default]
\stoptypescript


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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Andrea Valle]

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But, Hans, in the post Mojca says I have the same problem:)
uh?

-a-

On 3 Jul 2008, at 00:09, Hans Hagen wrote:

> Andrea Valle wrote:
>> Ah.
>> So, what the mail by Mojca meant?
>>
>> the one starting with:
>>
>> Hans,
>>
>> I thought that it had worked some time ago, but it seems that it's
>> broken. OPENTYPEFONTS seems the right folders, but doesn't find files
>> in them.
>> ....
>
> that something is broken om mojca's machine but we're working on it
> (when we have a spare moment)
>
> Hans
>
>
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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Wolfgang Schuster]

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Andrea Valle <valle@di.unito.it> wrote:
> Ah.
> So, what the mail by Mojca meant?
> the one starting with:
> Hans,
> I thought that it had worked some time ago, but it seems that it's
> broken. OPENTYPEFONTS seems the right folders, but doesn't find files
> in them.

Works for me on Mac and Windows.

On windows I have the fonts in the opentype folder in my tex tree.

On Mac I have the fonts in my local font directory.

Regards
Wolfgang
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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Hans Hagen]

Andrea Valle wrote:
> But, Hans, in the post Mojca says I have the same problem:)
> uh?

well, then you have to wait till mojca has figured out where it goes 
wrong; i have no mac to test it (it works ok here)

Hans

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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Andrea Valle wrote:
> But, Hans, in the post Mojca says I have the same problem:)
> uh?

In font-syn.lua there is
    local pathlist = fonts.names.getpaths()

This used to contain some hard-coded paths for Mac users, but then
Hans switched to reading fonts.conf with

    -- name is "fonts.conf"
    local name = fonts.names.xml_configuration_file or ""
    if name ~= "" then
        -- this works on Hans' computer, but not here; name becomes empty
        local name = input.find_file(name,"other")
        -- so this loop is never entered and system fonts are never read
        if name ~= "" then
            collect(xml.collect_texts(xml.load(name),"dir",true))
        end
    end

I guess that Hans has a fonts.conf in his TeX tree, while Linux & Mac
users don't, and luaTeX doesn't know where to look for fonts.conf.
What's worse: I suspect that OSFONTSDIR might be completely ignored.

No, don't ask me where fonts.conf should be. Mine are at
    /Users/mojca/.fonts.conf
    /private/etc/fonts/fonts.conf
but I have no idea what's the proper/default location if any.


The /private/etc/fonts/fonts.conf one says:

<!--
  Load per-user customization file
-->
  <include ignore_missing="yes">~/.fonts.conf</include>

<!--
  Load local system customization file
-->
  <include ignore_missing="yes">local.conf</include>

So I guess that's where the other one gets included.

Mojca

> -a-
> On 3 Jul 2008, at 00:09, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
> Andrea Valle wrote:
>
> Ah.
> So, what the mail by Mojca meant?
> the one starting with:
> Hans,
> I thought that it had worked some time ago, but it seems that it's
> broken. OPENTYPEFONTS seems the right folders, but doesn't find files
> in them.
> ....
>
> that something is broken om mojca's machine but we're working on it
> (when we have a spare moment)
> Hans
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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Wolfgang Schuster]

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Mojca Miklavec
<mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Andrea Valle wrote:
>> But, Hans, in the post Mojca says I have the same problem:)
>> uh?
>
> In font-syn.lua there is
>    local pathlist = fonts.names.getpaths()
>
> This used to contain some hard-coded paths for Mac users, but then
> Hans switched to reading fonts.conf with
>
>    -- name is "fonts.conf"
>    local name = fonts.names.xml_configuration_file or ""
>    if name ~= "" then
>        -- this works on Hans' computer, but not here; name becomes empty
>        local name = input.find_file(name,"other")
>        -- so this loop is never entered and system fonts are never read
>        if name ~= "" then
>            collect(xml.collect_texts(xml.load(name),"dir",true))
>        end
>    end
>
> I guess that Hans has a fonts.conf in his TeX tree, while Linux & Mac
> users don't, and luaTeX doesn't know where to look for fonts.conf.
> What's worse: I suspect that OSFONTSDIR might be completely ignored.
>
> No, don't ask me where fonts.conf should be. Mine are at
>    /Users/mojca/.fonts.conf
>    /private/etc/fonts/fonts.conf
> but I have no idea what's the proper/default location if any.

$TEXMF/fonts/conf/fonts.conf

> The /private/etc/fonts/fonts.conf one says:
>
> <!--
>  Load per-user customization file
> -->
>  <include ignore_missing="yes">~/.fonts.conf</include>
>
> <!--
>  Load local system customization file
> -->
>  <include ignore_missing="yes">local.conf</include>
>
> So I guess that's where the other one gets included.

But you need fonts.conf only for XeTeX, LuaTeX (better MkIV) could
find the fonts with the predefined paths in mtxrun.

    elseif name == "macosx" then
        fix("OSFONTDIR",
"$HOME/Library/Fonts//;/Library/Fonts//;/System/Library/Fonts//")
    else

Regards
Wolfgang
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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Khaled Hosny]

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On Thu, Jul 03, 2008 at 09:57:51AM +0200, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Andrea Valle wrote:
> > But, Hans, in the post Mojca says I have the same problem:)
> > uh?
> 
> In font-syn.lua there is
>     local pathlist = fonts.names.getpaths()
> 
> This used to contain some hard-coded paths for Mac users, but then
> Hans switched to reading fonts.conf with
> 
>     -- name is "fonts.conf"
>     local name = fonts.names.xml_configuration_file or ""
>     if name ~= "" then
>         -- this works on Hans' computer, but not here; name becomes empty
>         local name = input.find_file(name,"other")
>         -- so this loop is never entered and system fonts are never read
>         if name ~= "" then
>             collect(xml.collect_texts(xml.load(name),"dir",true))
>         end
>     end
> 
> I guess that Hans has a fonts.conf in his TeX tree, while Linux & Mac
> users don't, and luaTeX doesn't know where to look for fonts.conf.
> What's worse: I suspect that OSFONTSDIR might be completely ignored.
> 
> No, don't ask me where fonts.conf should be. Mine are at
>     /Users/mojca/.fonts.conf
>     /private/etc/fonts/fonts.conf
> but I have no idea what's the proper/default location if any.

If this is fontconfig's fonts.conf, the per user file is ~/.fonts.conf,
the system wide file depends on your installation. But not every user
will have a ~/.fonts.conf (it must be manually created AFAIK).

Regards,
 Khaled

> 
> 
> The /private/etc/fonts/fonts.conf one says:
> 
> <!--
>   Load per-user customization file
> -->
>   <include ignore_missing="yes">~/.fonts.conf</include>
> 
> <!--
>   Load local system customization file
> -->
>   <include ignore_missing="yes">local.conf</include>
> 
> So I guess that's where the other one gets included.
> 
> Mojca
> 
> > -a-
> > On 3 Jul 2008, at 00:09, Hans Hagen wrote:
> >
> > Andrea Valle wrote:
> >
> > Ah.
> > So, what the mail by Mojca meant?
> > the one starting with:
> > Hans,
> > I thought that it had worked some time ago, but it seems that it's
> > broken. OPENTYPEFONTS seems the right folders, but doesn't find files
> > in them.
> > ....
> >
> > that something is broken om mojca's machine but we're working on it
> > (when we have a spare moment)
> > Hans
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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Mojca Miklavec
> <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Andrea Valle wrote:
>>> But, Hans, in the post Mojca says I have the same problem:)
>>> uh?
>>
>> In font-syn.lua there is
>>    local pathlist = fonts.names.getpaths()
>>
>> This used to contain some hard-coded paths for Mac users, but then
>> Hans switched to reading fonts.conf with
>>
>>    -- name is "fonts.conf"
>>    local name = fonts.names.xml_configuration_file or ""
>>    if name ~= "" then
>>        -- this works on Hans' computer, but not here; name becomes empty
>>        local name = input.find_file(name,"other")
>>        -- so this loop is never entered and system fonts are never read
>>        if name ~= "" then
>>            collect(xml.collect_texts(xml.load(name),"dir",true))
>>        end
>>    end
>>
>> I guess that Hans has a fonts.conf in his TeX tree, while Linux & Mac
>> users don't, and luaTeX doesn't know where to look for fonts.conf.
>> What's worse: I suspect that OSFONTSDIR might be completely ignored.
>>
>> No, don't ask me where fonts.conf should be. Mine are at
>>    /Users/mojca/.fonts.conf
>>    /private/etc/fonts/fonts.conf
>> but I have no idea what's the proper/default location if any.
>
> $TEXMF/fonts/conf/fonts.conf

For XeTeX on Windows, yes. But not on other platforms.

>> The /private/etc/fonts/fonts.conf one says:
>>
>> <!--
>>  Load per-user customization file
>> -->
>>  <include ignore_missing="yes">~/.fonts.conf</include>
>>
>> <!--
>>  Load local system customization file
>> -->
>>  <include ignore_missing="yes">local.conf</include>
>>
>> So I guess that's where the other one gets included.
>
> But you need fonts.conf only for XeTeX, LuaTeX (better MkIV) could
> find the fonts with the predefined paths in mtxrun.

"could" could be read as "should" :)
But on the other hand, reading fonts.conf does make sense (if you know
where to look for it). It means that you get all the font paths
properly set by default already.

>    elseif name == "macosx" then
>        fix("OSFONTDIR",
> "$HOME/Library/Fonts//;/Library/Fonts//;/System/Library/Fonts//")
>    else

OSFONT[S]DIR (I always forget which one) does get set. But did you try
to use any fonts from there? Do they work (with a recent ConTeXt
version)?

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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Wolfgang Schuster]

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Mojca Miklavec
<mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Mojca Miklavec
>> <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Andrea Valle wrote:
>>>> But, Hans, in the post Mojca says I have the same problem:)
>>>> uh?
>>>
>>> In font-syn.lua there is
>>>    local pathlist = fonts.names.getpaths()
>>>
>>> This used to contain some hard-coded paths for Mac users, but then
>>> Hans switched to reading fonts.conf with
>>>
>>>    -- name is "fonts.conf"
>>>    local name = fonts.names.xml_configuration_file or ""
>>>    if name ~= "" then
>>>        -- this works on Hans' computer, but not here; name becomes empty
>>>        local name = input.find_file(name,"other")
>>>        -- so this loop is never entered and system fonts are never read
>>>        if name ~= "" then
>>>            collect(xml.collect_texts(xml.load(name),"dir",true))
>>>        end
>>>    end
>>>
>>> I guess that Hans has a fonts.conf in his TeX tree, while Linux & Mac
>>> users don't, and luaTeX doesn't know where to look for fonts.conf.
>>> What's worse: I suspect that OSFONTSDIR might be completely ignored.
>>>
>>> No, don't ask me where fonts.conf should be. Mine are at
>>>    /Users/mojca/.fonts.conf
>>>    /private/etc/fonts/fonts.conf
>>> but I have no idea what's the proper/default location if any.
>>
>> $TEXMF/fonts/conf/fonts.conf
>
> For XeTeX on Windows, yes. But not on other platforms.
>
>>> The /private/etc/fonts/fonts.conf one says:
>>>
>>> <!--
>>>  Load per-user customization file
>>> -->
>>>  <include ignore_missing="yes">~/.fonts.conf</include>
>>>
>>> <!--
>>>  Load local system customization file
>>> -->
>>>  <include ignore_missing="yes">local.conf</include>
>>>
>>> So I guess that's where the other one gets included.
>>
>> But you need fonts.conf only for XeTeX, LuaTeX (better MkIV) could
>> find the fonts with the predefined paths in mtxrun.
>
> "could" could be read as "should" :)
> But on the other hand, reading fonts.conf does make sense (if you know
> where to look for it). It means that you get all the font paths
> properly set by default already.

Could make sense.

>>    elseif name == "macosx" then
>>        fix("OSFONTDIR",
>> "$HOME/Library/Fonts//;/Library/Fonts//;/System/Library/Fonts//")
>>    else
>
> OSFONT[S]DIR (I always forget which one) does get set. But did you try
> to use any fonts from there? Do they work (with a recent ConTeXt
> version)?

Last beta with delicoius fonts in $HOME/Library/Fonts has worked.

Wolfgang
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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Hans Hagen]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:

> I guess that Hans has a fonts.conf in his TeX tree, while Linux & Mac
> users don't, and luaTeX doesn't know where to look for fonts.conf.
> What's worse: I suspect that OSFONTSDIR might be completely ignored.

ok, i'll remove that xml file and test further (not now, later)

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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Andrea Valle]

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Still, can't have this font stuff working...
>>
>> (which I do not understand: but that's another story)
>> I have saved the file under the same folder of tex file I'm  
>> working at
>> 3. then I have called: context --generate
>
> 3.1. Generate name entries for the font database
>
> To access fonts with the name you have to create the database
> with the entries:
>
> mtxrun --script font --reload

where should I be in order to run it? I have not set the env  
variables, I'm using this kind of approach:

cd /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/
. /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/setuptex /Applications/ 
ConTeXtMinimals/tex



>
>> 4. In my tex file I have added:
>> \usetypefile [delicious]
>> \usetypescript[delicious]
>> \setupbodyfont[delicious]
>> 5. while compiling I'm having a problem with  delicious.
>> Log attached
>
> Make a test with the fonts and the files in the same directory.

This does not work. It aborts because of delicious not found.
But if I put the type-delicious.tex file in
/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/
then run
mtxrun --script font --reload
I have not errors, but the used font is not delicious (I guess it's LM)
>
> When this did not work access the fonts by filename and not by
> fontname, to do thos you have to replace "name:" by "file:",
> this is unproblematic for the delicious fonts because fontname
> and filename are equal.
>

Does not change anything

Thanks

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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Andrea Valle <valle@di.unito.it> wrote:
> Still, can't have this font stuff working...
>
> (which I do not understand: but that's another story)
> I have saved the file under the same folder of tex file I'm working at
> 3. then I have called: context --generate
>
> 3.1. Generate name entries for the font database
> To access fonts with the name you have to create the database
> with the entries:
> mtxrun --script font --reload
>
> where should I be in order to run it? I have not set the env variables, I'm
> using this kind of approach:
> cd /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/
> . /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/setuptex
> /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex

You only need the second command. cd is not needed. Once you issue
    . /Applications/CM/tex/setuptex /Applications/CM/tex
you should be able to run both
    mtxrun --script font --reload
    mtxrun --script font --list
Maybe try to run
    luatools --selfupdate
    luatools --generate
before that.

> 4. In my tex file I have added:
> \usetypefile [delicious]
> \usetypescript[delicious]
> \setupbodyfont[delicious]
> 5. while compiling I'm having a problem with delicious.
> Log attached
>
> Make a test with the fonts and the files in the same directory.
>
> This does not work. It aborts because of delicious not found.
> But if I put the type-delicious.tex file in
> /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/
> then run
> mtxrun --script font --reload
> I have not errors, but the used font is not delicious (I guess it's LM)

Looks as if something is wrong with filename database. Does luatools
--generate solve anything?

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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Andrea Valle]

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>
> You only need the second command. cd is not needed. Once you issue
>     . /Applications/CM/tex/setuptex /Applications/CM/tex
> you should be able to run both
>     mtxrun --script font --reload
>     mtxrun --script font --list
> Maybe try to run
>     luatools --selfupdate
>     luatools --generate
> before that.
>

Ah, ok, it sets up the path for the session.
Done. The list does not include delicious as far as I can say, and  
the total is the same as before (161)

>>  not delicious (I guess it's LM)
>
> Looks as if something is wrong with filename database. Does luatools
> --generate solve anything?


Worse :)
Now, in both circumstances (with type-delicious in /base or in the  
same folder of my test.tex file) compilation aborts.
l.3 \setupbodyfont[delicious]

!  ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!
MtxRun | loading configuration for /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/ 
texmf/web2c from /Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-cache/luatex- 
cache/context/aac20ce207a097b4b480d7b5eb76554a/trees/ 
d9ef00871d7b11751a275cffd8a85753
MtxRun | run 1: luatex --fmt="/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf- 
cache/luatex-cache/context/aac20ce207a097b4b480d7b5eb76554a/formats/ 
cont-en" --lua="/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-cache/luatex- 
cache/context/aac20ce207a097b4b480d7b5eb76554a/formats/cont-en.lua" "/ 
test/test.tex"
MtxRun | fatal error, code: 1

Best

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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Mojca Miklavec]

Hello Andrea,

before proceeding any further ... where on earth did you find exactly
that font? :) :) :)

It's a "resource-based" Type1 font or whatever they call it. I don't
believe that LuaTeX supports such fonts at all, but maybe Taco can
correct me. XeTeX only supports those fonts when using xdv2pdf engine
(xdvipdfmx doesn't honor them). And I would say "if you really wanted
to use those fonts in ConTeXt, there is a way, but hardcoded deep down
in ConTeXt core".

I took a look at http://www.josbuivenga.demon.nl/delicious.html. You
need to download PC (OpenType) font, not Mac (Type1).

Apart from that, it works for me, but
   kpsewhich type-delicious.tex
needs to return you the file if you want to be able to use it. And
kpsewhich Delicious-Roman.otf needs to return you something as well.
(replace kpsewhich by luatools in the previous sentence)

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Andrea Valle wrote:
>
> You only need the second command. cd is not needed. Once you issue
>     . /Applications/CM/tex/setuptex /Applications/CM/tex
> you should be able to run both
>     mtxrun --script font --reload
>     mtxrun --script font --list
> Maybe try to run
>     luatools --selfupdate
>     luatools --generate
> before that.
>
> Ah, ok, it sets up the path for the session.
> Done. The list does not include delicious as far as I can say, and the total
> is the same as before (161)
>
>  not delicious (I guess it's LM)
>
> Looks as if something is wrong with filename database. Does luatools
> --generate solve anything?

It should.

> Worse :)
> Now, in both circumstances (with type-delicious in /base or in the same
> folder of my test.tex file) compilation aborts.
> l.3 \setupbodyfont[delicious]
>
> !  ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!

No idea. Something completely unrelated must be wrong then.

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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> Hello Andrea,
>
> before proceeding any further ... where on earth did you find exactly
> that font? :) :) :)
>
> It's a "resource-based" Type1 font or whatever they call it. I don't
> believe that LuaTeX supports such fonts at all, but maybe Taco can
> correct me. XeTeX only supports those fonts when using xdv2pdf engine
> (xdvipdfmx doesn't honor them). And I would say "if you really wanted
> to use those fonts in ConTeXt, there is a way, but hardcoded deep down
> in ConTeXt core".

Btw: with the fonts that you have sent me, the definitions should be

\starttypescript [sans] [delicious]
\definefontsynonym [Delicious-Regular]    [file:DelicRom]    [features=default]
\definefontsynonym [Delicious-Italic]     [file:DelicIta]    [features=default]
\definefontsynonym [Delicious-Bold]       [file:DelicBol]    [features=default]
\definefontsynonym [Delicious-BoldItalic] [file:DelicBolIta] [features=default]
% it should be features=smallcaps for normal fonts
\definefontsynonym [Delicious-Caps]       [file:DelicSmaCap] [features=default]
\stoptypescript

But the font doesn't work with LuaTeX anyway (it could work in XeTeX),
so do not even try. The name after "file:" needs to match the
filename.

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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Andrea Valle]

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Ciao Mojca,

>
> before proceeding any further ... where on earth did you find exactly
> that font? :) :) :)

On the ConTeXt mailing list, I was just following a previous thread  
on fonts :)

> You
> need to download PC (OpenType) font, not Mac (Type1).

Ok, done, now I see that the original file names by Wolfgang matches

> Apart from that, it works for me,

Yes! for me too!

> but
>    kpsewhich type-delicious.tex
> needs to return you the file if you want to be able to use it. And

nothing, neither with luatools

> kpsewhich Delicious-Roman.otf needs to return you something as well.
> (replace kpsewhich by luatools in the previous sentence)

the only thing which works is:
polifilo:~ andreavalle$ luatools Delicious-Roman.otf
/Users/andreavalle/Library/Fonts/Delicious-Roman.otf

Is there a place where to put the the type- .tex files, so that they  
are available without having them to include in the working folder?

Thanks

Best

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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Andrea Valle wrote:

> Is there a place where to put the the type- .tex files, so that they are 
> available without having them to include in the working folder?

I usually include my presonal files at $TEXMFHOME/tex/context/aditya/

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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Andrea Valle]

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Hi

now I'm trying to use Optima.

So I assembled a type-optima.tex with this:

\starttypescript [sans] [optima]

     \definefontsynonym [OptimaRegular]   [name:Optima Regular]    
[features=default]
     \definefontsynonym [OptimaBold]   [name:Optima Bold]    
[features=default]
     \definefontsynonym [OptimaBoldItalic]   [name:Optima Bold  
Italic]   [features=default]
     \definefontsynonym [OptimaExtraBlack]   [name:Optima  
ExtraBlack]   [features=default]
     \definefontsynonym [OptimaItalic]   [name:Optima Italic]    
[features=default]

\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [sans] [optima]

     \definefontsynonym [Sans]            [OptimaRegular]  
[features=default]
     \definefontsynonym [SansItalic]      [OptimaItalic]   
[features=default]
     \definefontsynonym [SansBold]        [OptimaBold]  
[features=default]
     \definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic]  [OptimaBoldItalic]   
[features=default]
     \definefontsynonym [SansExtra]  [OptimaExtraBlack]   
[features=default]

\stoptypescript

\starttypescript
\definetypeface[optima][rm][sans][optima][default]
\definetypeface[optima][ss][sans][optima][default]
\definetypeface[optima][tt][mono][modern]  [default][rscale=1.12]
\definetypeface[optima][mm][math][iwona]   [default][rscale=1.02]
\stoptypescript




Then, did the usual stuff.
But the pdf  from

\usetypefile [optima]
\usetypescript[optima]
\setupbodyfont[optima]

\starttext
Oh yes, I'm a test, baby

{\bf there's a little} {\em black} {\sc spot}

in the sun today
\stoptext	

uses LM.
The console says:

....
specials       : fdf loaded
) (type-optima.tex)

...

the font file is Optima.dfont


Best

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On 15 Jul 2008, at 16:18, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>> Hello Andrea,
>>
>> before proceeding any further ... where on earth did you find exactly
>> that font? :) :) :)
>>
>> It's a "resource-based" Type1 font or whatever they call it. I don't
>> believe that LuaTeX supports such fonts at all, but maybe Taco can
>> correct me. XeTeX only supports those fonts when using xdv2pdf engine
>> (xdvipdfmx doesn't honor them). And I would say "if you really wanted
>> to use those fonts in ConTeXt, there is a way, but hardcoded deep  
>> down
>> in ConTeXt core".
>
> Btw: with the fonts that you have sent me, the definitions should be
>
> \starttypescript [sans] [delicious]
> \definefontsynonym [Delicious-Regular]    [file:DelicRom]     
> [features=default]
> \definefontsynonym [Delicious-Italic]     [file:DelicIta]     
> [features=default]
> \definefontsynonym [Delicious-Bold]       [file:DelicBol]     
> [features=default]
> \definefontsynonym [Delicious-BoldItalic] [file:DelicBolIta]  
> [features=default]
> % it should be features=smallcaps for normal fonts
> \definefontsynonym [Delicious-Caps]       [file:DelicSmaCap]  
> [features=default]
> \stoptypescript
>
> But the font doesn't work with LuaTeX anyway (it could work in XeTeX),
> so do not even try. The name after "file:" needs to match the
> filename.
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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Andrea Valle wrote:
> Hi
> now I'm trying to use Optima.
...
> the font file is Optima.dfont

I'm not sure if LuaTeX can (already) handle thole .dfont fonts.
Neither Hans nor Taco use Mac for their everyday work. Taco?

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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Taco Hoekwater]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Andrea Valle wrote:
>> Hi
>> now I'm trying to use Optima.
> ...
>> the font file is Optima.dfont
> 
> I'm not sure if LuaTeX can (already) handle thole .dfont fonts.

> Neither Hans nor Taco use Mac for their everyday work. Taco?

I don't even know what a .dfont is :-/

Best wishes,
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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Andrea Valle wrote:
>
>> Is there a place where to put the the type- .tex files, so that they are
>> available without having them to include in the working folder?
>
> I usually include my presonal files at $TEXMFHOME/tex/context/aditya/

TEXMFHOME is undefined in minimals for some reason (inherited from the
old file). Maybe we should add it again?

An alternative is to put files to texmf-local (that would be
/Applications/ConTeXtMinimals/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/whatever-you-please/
on your computer), but $TEXMFHOME might make more sense.

Just make sure that you don't loose those files after "accidental upgrade".

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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Andrea Valle]

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> Just make sure that you don't loose those files after "accidental  
> upgrade".

Yeah, that's the point

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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Andrea Valle]

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Ah, because I was thinking that LuaTeX was like XeTeX, where I can  
use all the system fonts
So, which kind of font files should I consider?
What about font files without extension?

Thanks

-a-

On 15 Jul 2008, at 17:35, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Andrea Valle wrote:
>> Hi
>> now I'm trying to use Optima.
> ...
>> the font file is Optima.dfont
>
> I'm not sure if LuaTeX can (already) handle thole .dfont fonts.
> Neither Hans nor Taco use Mac for their everyday work. Taco?
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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Arthur Reutenauer]

> I don't even know what a .dfont is :-/

  It's a file that packs several font files (usually the four basic
ones) into one.  I don't know the details of the format, but I expect
that it really only contains the font file, with a few headers.
Fontforge has known how to handle it for years, so it should be
manageable in Mark IV.

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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Andrea Valle wrote:
> Ah, because I was thinking that LuaTeX was like XeTeX, where I can use all
> the system fonts
> So, which kind of font files should I consider?

Any font.

... except for those that come with your Mac :) :) :)

Well, you can use otf, ttf, pfb, tfm (TeX), ...

> What about font files without extension?

I doubt. LuaTeX uses fontforge library to read fonts, so there is no
reason why one would not be able to use them, but you would need to
lend a Mac to Taco for a few days :)

I'm not sure, but ".dfont" looks like AAT format and no extension like
Mac-specific way of storing Type 1. Both doable, but someone needs to
do that.

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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Jul 15, 2008, at 6:27 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

> I'm not sure, but ".dfont" looks like AAT format and no extension like
> Mac-specific way of storing Type 1. Both doable, but someone needs to
> do that.

You can run "fondu" on .dfont files and then use the resulting files  
(ttf or pfb, I guess) for use with whatever flavor of TeX you want.

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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Hans Hagen]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Andrea Valle wrote:
>> Hi
>> now I'm trying to use Optima.
> ....
>> the font file is Optima.dfont
> 
> I'm not sure if LuaTeX can (already) handle thole .dfont fonts.
> Neither Hans nor Taco use Mac for their everyday work. Taco?

i have no clue what and font is and i'm not even sure if i want to know 
it; non portable so ...


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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Charles P. Schaum]

That's right; use fondu. Fontforge can read a .dfont (data fork
resource) but it cannot specify something within that to load without
user input.

The only files that use .dfont are from Apple for Apple. The Mac knows
what is basically coded into these files and works with them
accordingly. That presents the design decision of whether to support an
alien font scheme that only exists in Steve Jobs' universe, not in the
rest of the 95% of computers out there.

Then there is the whole issue of encoding because especially the
Apple .dfont files tend to have a number of named glyphs that Fontforge
thinks are misplaced.

Fontforge also will not open a font in a ~/.fonts dir, at least on
Ubuntu Hardy. It does not appear to handle special cases of pathnames
very well.

You can, however, use Fontforge and fondu to get at the fonts in the
resource fork; fondu looks like it is better for the task 

Charles

On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 21:19 +0200, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> On Jul 15, 2008, at 6:27 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> 
> > I'm not sure, but ".dfont" looks like AAT format and no extension like
> > Mac-specific way of storing Type 1. Both doable, but someone needs to
> > do that.
> 
> You can run "fondu" on .dfont files and then use the resulting files  
> (ttf or pfb, I guess) for use with whatever flavor of TeX you want.
> 
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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Hans Hagen]

Andrea Valle wrote:
> Hi
> 
> now I'm trying to use Optima.

see type-ghz.tex and type-hgz.tex


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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Andrea Valle]

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Thanks Hans,
Optima is among my favourite fonts, but the idea was to understand  
how to use system fonts

Best

-a-


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> Andrea Valle wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> now I'm trying to use Optima.
>
> see type-ghz.tex and type-hgz.tex
>
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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Andrea Valle]

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Sorry, I know I'm boring...

Now I discovered I have substantially only one latin ttf font on my  
machine among the huge amount of fonts...
Doulos SIL which file is DoulosSILR

So, I'm testing with the type-doulos.tex file containg this
\starttypescript [serif] [doulos]
\setups[font:fallback:roman]
\definefontsynonym [Serif] [Doulos SIL]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [serif] [doulos]
\definefontsynonym [Doulos SIL] [file:DoulosSILR][features=default]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [doulos]
\definetypeface [doulos] [rm] [roman] [doulos] [default]
\stoptypescript

But does not work.
The fact is probably that I'm not really understanding what's going  
on here.
I was reading some of the resources here:
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Fonts
e.g. Thomas' article.
http://tug.org/pracjourn/2005-2/schmitz/schmitz.pdf

The problem is that I would probably need this (as suggested once by  
Aditya):
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Understanding_how_fonts_work_in_ConTeXt
but it's pretty incomplete.

I've also looked at
http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/mfonts.pdf
but cannot really follow it.

Could anyone comment this famous piece of code?
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Mark_IV#A_.28Complete. 
29_Typescript_Example
I'd like to add infos to the wiki


Thanks

Best

-a-

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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi,

Quickly:

Charles P. Schaum wrote:
> That's right; use fondu. Fontforge can read a .dfont (data fork
> resource) but it cannot specify something within that to load without
> user input.

That's ok. It sounds very similar to the .ttc format, and we already
have an interface for that. It will be pretty straightforward to
import the wrapper reader for .dfont disk files into luatex, so you
can expect the wrapper format to be supported within the next month,
not a big deal.

> Then there is the whole issue of encoding because especially the
> Apple .dfont files tend to have a number of named glyphs that Fontforge
> thinks are misplaced.

This can be a problem, but we'll find that out soon enough. I'll
work out some basics with Arthur and get back to you and Andrea
after that.

Best wishes,
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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Diego Depaoli]

2008/7/15 Andrea Valle <valle@di.unito.it>:
> So, I'm testing with the type-doulos.tex file containg this
> \starttypescript [serif] [doulos]
> \setups[font:fallback:roman]
> \definefontsynonym [Serif] [Doulos SIL]
> \stoptypescript
> \starttypescript [serif] [doulos]
> \definefontsynonym [Doulos SIL] [file:DoulosSILR][features=default]
> \stoptypescript
> \starttypescript [doulos]
> \definetypeface [doulos] [rm] [roman] [doulos] [default]
> \stoptypescript
Changing 'roman' with 'serif' it worked for me (do not ask me why).

Ciao
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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Andrea Valle]

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Ah, grazie Diego

it works here too (and, too, I don't know why :) ).
Best

-a-


On 16 Jul 2008, at 02:42, Diego Depaoli wrote:

> 2008/7/15 Andrea Valle <valle@di.unito.it>:
>> So, I'm testing with the type-doulos.tex file containg this
>> \starttypescript [serif] [doulos]
>> \setups[font:fallback:roman]
>> \definefontsynonym [Serif] [Doulos SIL]
>> \stoptypescript
>> \starttypescript [serif] [doulos]
>> \definefontsynonym [Doulos SIL] [file:DoulosSILR][features=default]
>> \stoptypescript
>> \starttypescript [doulos]
>> \definetypeface [doulos] [rm] [roman] [doulos] [default]
>> \stoptypescript
> Changing 'roman' with 'serif' it worked for me (do not ask me why).
>
> Ciao
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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Wolfgang Schuster]

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 2:42 AM, Diego Depaoli <trebestie@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2008/7/15 Andrea Valle <valle@di.unito.it>:
>> So, I'm testing with the type-doulos.tex file containg this
>> \starttypescript [serif] [doulos]
>> \setups[font:fallback:roman]
>> \definefontsynonym [Serif] [Doulos SIL]
>> \stoptypescript
>> \starttypescript [serif] [doulos]
>> \definefontsynonym [Doulos SIL] [file:DoulosSILR][features=default]
>> \stoptypescript
>> \starttypescript [doulos]
>> \definetypeface [doulos] [rm] [roman] [doulos] [default]
>> \stoptypescript

> Changing 'roman' with 'serif' it worked for me (do not ask me why).

It works because of these two arguments.

\starttypescript [serif] [doulos]

'serif' and 'doulos' in the typescript.

Wolfgang
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Re: fonts (in luatex) (again)

[Andrea Valle]

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Ok, as I'd really like to teach ConTeXt with font switching :)
I repost here a real important question IMHO, solemnly promising to  
wikify the answer:

> Could anyone comment this famous piece of code?
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Mark_IV#A_.28Complete. 
> 29_Typescript_Example
> I'd like to add infos to the wiki
>

Thanks and best

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