From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/60956 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: subject kills bookmarks? Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:15:18 +0200 Message-ID: <4C69AA66.2090405@wxs.nl> References: <9ED6609A-8987-4B62-B1A6-7C8DCCF36EF5@st.estfiles.de> <4C697E33.1090602@wxs.nl> <740F71E2-7EA4-403D-A154-DBC990A27D2A@st.estfiles.de> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1281993366 20458 80.91.229.12 (16 Aug 2010 21:16:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:16:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Steffen Wolfrum To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Mon Aug 16 23:15:55 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ol724-0003hL-62 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:15:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17318CA55D; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:15:47 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id KfPy+HYK1sWJ; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:15:43 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5888ECA558; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:15:43 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 489A9CA558 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:15:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id U0ZzR6SnXOxm for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:15:28 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter3-til.mf.surf.net (filter3-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.219]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE410CA352 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:15:28 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from smtp.ziggozakelijk.nl (sc-162.r-213-125-29.schoolconnect.nu [213.125.29.162]) by filter3-til.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id o7GLFSkP025683 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:15:28 +0200 X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=10.100.1.101; Original-Received: from [10.100.1.101] (unverified [10.100.1.101]) by pragma-net.nl (SurgeMail 4.3g4) with ESMTP id 6277-1713362 for multiple; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:13:34 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.2 ThunderBrowse/3.3.2 In-Reply-To: <740F71E2-7EA4-403D-A154-DBC990A27D2A@st.estfiles.de> X-Authenticated-User: hagen@controller-9 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0014 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=213.125.29.162; country=NL; region=11; city=Den Haag; latitude=52.0833; longitude=4.3000; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=52.0833,4.3000&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0eCT9fssW - f5de19a05183 - 20100816 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.219 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:60956 Archived-At: > Easily I can think you hundreds of books where the author set "Preface", "Forword", "List of Abbreviations" and "List of Content" in a subordinate style. When the main text starts, this style is the same that is used for the second (or third) sectioning level. The same shows up in TOC: if these entries are listed in TOC, they are visually structured (by indentation and font) explicitly as the second (sometimes third) sectioning level. > > As far as I have understood Hans' answer, the logic for bookmarks (or structured, tagged PDF in general?) works differently: even though the "design" of these sections (ie. section *headings*!) by the author is intended to be subordinated, nevertheless these section should be structured in a parent/child way: the first section mentioned is meant to be the highest level: > Would this map and represent the structure that the author was thinking of? In a typeset toc it's often quite clear as visual clues are used (indentation, font, vertical spacing, either of not a pagenumber) I have made some quite complex structured docs (tens of different heads at the same level). This goes ok as long as one is in control, but in automated flows with input that can have some components not being present and then also typeset one can have interesting confusing situations. In such cases fonts/spacing in a toc depend on an analysis of the structure (runtime). 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