From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/61027 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: textext vs. btex ... etex Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:34:05 +0200 Message-ID: <4C6BEF5D.3040004@wxs.nl> References: <21CE9841-242A-4F91-B2DF-FBB8722FB5C9@mpq.mpg.de> <4C6AAC09.3080405@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1282142087 18935 80.91.229.12 (18 Aug 2010 14:34:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:34:47 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Wed Aug 18 16:34:45 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oljj3-0000D3-B7 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:34:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1E9CA585; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:34:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id TupR7i7mfsSC; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:34:39 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA3FCA591; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:34:38 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16859CA591 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:34:37 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 9UrQgcmYrojg for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:34:25 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter3-til.mf.surf.net (filter3-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.219]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731E4CA585 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:34:25 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from smtp.ziggozakelijk.nl (sc-162.r-213-125-29.schoolconnect.nu [213.125.29.162]) by filter3-til.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id o7IEYOLS028221 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:34:25 +0200 X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=10.100.1.170; Original-Received: from [10.100.1.170] (unverified [10.100.1.170]) by pragma-net.nl (SurgeMail 4.3g4) with ESMTP id 6650-1713362 for multiple; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:32:25 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.2 ThunderBrowse/3.3.2 In-Reply-To: X-Authenticated-User: hagen@controller-9 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=213.125.29.162; country=NL; region=11; city=Den Haag; latitude=52.0833; longitude=4.3000; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=52.0833,4.3000&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0eCTOyoh5 - 91dbabab8524 - 20100818 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.219 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:61027 Archived-At: On 18-8-2010 2:20, Oliver Buerschaper wrote: >> the fact that you have pieces in mkii is a side effect of dvitomp turning dvi output in mp pictures; in the process it combines glyphs that have no kerning and whatever spacing becomes shifts > > Oh, I didn't know the pieces used to come about by accident... actually, by a rather favourable accident if I may add :-) Well, it all depends on kerning. So 'abc' can become 'a' 'b' 'c' or 'ab' 'c' or 'a' 'bc' or 'abc' depending on the kerning pairs. IN math it depends on the spacing of math characters. >> in mkiv the text is treated as a whole and that will not change > > That's rather bad news... then essentially MetaPost is a lost case for retouching digital typography it seems. Will have to switch to Illustrator (with the Scriptographer plugin) for these tasks. Sadly, batch processing and TeX integration will be gone with that alternative. > > >> so, if in mkiv you want pieces, you need to textext each snippet that you want as such > > Alright... in that case how would I make sure that all glyph positions are kept if my TeX material is, say, some complex formula? How could I find the baseline with textext? see mp.mplib for all those anchor points Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________