From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/53618 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Thomas A. Schmitz" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Page Numbering Hell Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:57:49 +0200 Message-ID: <4C80A4C0-DBD4-4B7C-A9CB-A16265F22462@uni-bonn.de> References: <51CAD0CE1504444DBE77CBBE51A0135D6CE2B0@slcmail.slc.mew.int> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1076) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1256283259 30199 80.91.229.12 (23 Oct 2009 07:34:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:34:19 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Oct 23 09:34:12 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1N1Ef5-00064a-KB for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:34:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 050BDC9AE3; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:33:08 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id kqHMqTzMLws2; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:32:54 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC8E9C9A63; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:32:52 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B273C9ABB for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:32:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id rbfnVyXmiIcB for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:32:41 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from uni-bonn.de (mail.uni-bonn.de [131.220.15.113]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43A1C9A63 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:24:08 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [87.178.75.74] (account tschmit1@uni-bonn.de HELO [192.168.0.2]) by fe2.uni-bonn.de (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTPA id 25793957 for ntg-context@ntg.nl; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:58:05 +0200 In-Reply-To: <51CAD0CE1504444DBE77CBBE51A0135D6CE2B0@slcmail.slc.mew.int> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1076) X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:53618 Archived-At: Since you weren't satisfied with the reply you got, here's another = attempt to please you: On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:36 AM, Bryant Eastham wrote: > All- > > A few days ago when I first stumbled on ConTeXt I was very, very = > excited. I have some 500 pages of technical documentation that could = > benefit from this, particularly since I need Japanese font support. = > But it has to be real. > > I=92m sorry if this sounds caustic, but after 12 hours of failed = > attempts to even get a minimal document formatted I have some = > serious questions for the list: What do you mean "get even a minimal document formatted"? You're = complaining that you don't find "current examples that actually work," = yet instead of a real minimal example, you post only rants. Give us a = real example of what you have tried, and someone may be able to help = you. > > 1. Is Mark IV real? I am only somewhat joking here =96 after = > spending hours searching for reasonable documentation on even the = > most trivial options, I am left wondering whether this is something = > I want to use=85 No Mkiv isn't real. For two years, we've all been part of this = elaborate hoax. We pretend we're using a software that doesn't exist. > 2. ConTeXt looks great. But what is current? Seriously, I like = > the look and the support (particularly Unicode). But going over = > documentation I cannot make heads or tails of what to do. Mark II? = > Mark IV? TeTeX? LuaTeX? If I really want to use this, what should I = > use? TeTeX is the odd item in your list. It's a defunct TeX system that = hasn't been updated in three years or so. You may have meant XeTeX. On = a serious note: For 95 % of ConTeXt, it doesn't matter what engine you = use. The high-level code in your document should give identical output = with pdftext (=3D mkii), XeTeX, or the new luatex engine (=3D mkiv). If = you need Japanese, you will probably want to use XeTeX or luatex. For = the differences between mkiv and mkii, see http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Mk= IV_Differences > 3. Having answered #2, where in the world is a reference = > manual!!! I mean one that actually *documents the options*. What documentation did you read? cont-eni.pdf? The wiki? Have you = looked at all the manuals available on http://www.pragma-ade.com/show-man-1= .htm = ? cont-eni.pdf is still the current documentation; if you want to = have a brief look at options, I would recommend http://texshow.contextgarde= n.net/ > 4. Having answered #3, are there any current examples that = > actually work? The snippets from the mailing are great, but they are = > just snippets. That doesn=92t help me. What is missing on http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Sample_documents ? = There are several sample documents. > > Now, to resolve my immediate issue, and just because I will not be = > able to sleep well until I figure this out (yes, I am fixated on = > this). > > I want this document structure: > > Contents > 1. Chapter 1-1 > 1.1 Section 1-2 > 2. Chapter 2 2-1 > 2.1 Section 2-2 > > Table of contents on page =93i=94. > Even/odd, each chapter starts on right page. > Page number (as in 2-2) in top margin. > Mark IV, Lua document. > > I have tried hundreds of different combinations. If it cannot do = > this, the I will (with sadness) move on. I=92m sure that it would take = > someone who understands this about 5 minutes to write (if that). > Then show us a minimal example of one of these hundreds of = combinations, and somebody will look at it and may have an idea. But I = doubt that anybody will want to write this for you. Thomas ___________________________________________________________________________= ________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to t= he Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-cont= ext webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________= ________