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export

[Hans Hagen]

Hi,

For those who were not at the ctx conference (where it was demonstrated) 
.. there is a new feature. When you say:

\setupbackeds[export=yes]

You will also get a file called <jobname>.export which represents the 
document in xml format. You can postprocess such an export to for 
instance html. It's still somewhat experimental but also fun.

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Re: export

[Otared Kavian]

Hi Hans,

Thanks for giving the information to those unlucky people who were not at the ConTeXt conference:
Since I am interested in the feature you mention, I just tried with the latest beta you uploaded today, but the command
	\setupbackeds[export=yes]
is unknown. Maybe there is a typo in what you said: could you please give a hint?

Many thanks in advance: OK

On 22 sept. 2010, at 12:45, Hans Hagen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> For those who were not at the ctx conference (where it was demonstrated) .. there is a new feature. When you say:
> 
> \setupbackeds[export=yes]
> 
> You will also get a file called <jobname>.export which represents the document in xml format. You can postprocess such an export to for instance html. It's still somewhat experimental but also fun.
> 
> Hans
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Re: export

[Yury G. Kudryashov]

Otared Kavian wrote:

> Hi Hans,
> 
> Thanks for giving the information to those unlucky people who were not at
> the ConTeXt conference: Since I am interested in the feature you mention,
> I just tried with the latest beta you uploaded today, but the command
> \setupbackeds[export=yes] is unknown. Maybe there is a typo in what you
> said: could you please give a hint?
Try \setupbackends.
> 
> Many thanks in advance: OK


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Re: export

[Otared Kavian]

On 22 sept. 2010, at 14:06, Yury G. Kudryashov wrote:

>> […]
> Try \setupbackends.

Thanks Yuri for your attention, but this suggestion doesn't work: I get 

 > error on line 3 in file test-export.tex: Undefined control sequence ...
 >>  \setupbackends[export=yes]

Best regards: OK
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Re: export

[Hans Hagen]

On 22-9-2010 2:18, Otared Kavian wrote:
>
> On 22 sept. 2010, at 14:06, Yury G. Kudryashov wrote:
>
>>> […]
>> Try \setupbackends.
>
> Thanks Yuri for your attention, but this suggestion doesn't work: I get
>
>   >  error on line 3 in file test-export.tex: Undefined control sequence ...
>   >>   \setupbackends[export=yes]

there is only one backend ...

\setupbackend
   [export=yes]

and this command is only available in post tex live 2010 versions (with 
export only being supported with versions uploaded during and after the 
conference)

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Re: export

[Alan BRASLAU]

Minimal example (given at the workshop):

\setupbackend [export=yes]

\starttext

\startchapter [title=First chapter]

\startparagraph
	\input ward
\stopparagraph

\stopchapter

\stoptext


On Wednesday 22 September 2010 14:18:18 Otared Kavian wrote:
> On 22 sept. 2010, at 14:06, Yury G. Kudryashov wrote:
> >> […]
> > 
> > Try \setupbackends.
> 
> Thanks Yuri for your attention, but this suggestion doesn't work: I get
> 
>  > error on line 3 in file test-export.tex: Undefined control sequence ...
>  > 
>  >>  \setupbackends[export=yes]
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Re: export

[Andreas Harder]

Am 22.09.2010 um 14:25 schrieb Alan BRASLAU:

> \setupbackend [export=yes]
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \startchapter [title=First chapter]
> 
> \startparagraph
> 	\input ward
> \stopparagraph
> 
> \stopchapter
> 
> \stoptext

Results in "Undefined control sequence. \setupbackend" (newest beta; OS X) …

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Re: export

[Alan BRASLAU]

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On Wednesday 22 September 2010 14:29:08 Andreas Harder wrote:
> Am 22.09.2010 um 14:25 schrieb Alan BRASLAU:
> > \setupbackend [export=yes]
> > 
> > \starttext
> > 
> > \startchapter [title=First chapter]
> > 
> > \startparagraph
> > 
> > 	\input ward
> > 
> > \stopparagraph
> > 
> > \stopchapter
> > 
> > \stoptext
> 
> Results in "Undefined control sequence. \setupbackend" (newest beta; OS X)
> …
> 
> Greeting
> 	Andreas

Works here - latest beta - linux x86_64
(see attached)

Alan

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\setupbackend [export=yes]

\starttext

\startchapter [title=First chapter]

\startparagraph
	\input ward
\stopparagraph

\stopchapter

\startchapter [title=Second chapter]

\startparagraph
	\input tufte
\stopparagraph

\stopchapter

\stoptext

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Re: export

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 2010-09-22 um 14:29 schrieb Andreas Harder:
> Am 22.09.2010 um 14:25 schrieb Alan BRASLAU:
> Results in "Undefined control sequence. \setupbackend" (newest beta;  
> OS X) …


Works for me on OSX-Intel.

You didn't try texexec (MkII), did you?

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Re: export

[Jelle Huisman]

On 22/09/10 06:45, Hans Hagen wrote:

> \setupbackeds[export=yes]
>
> You will also get a file called <jobname>.export which represents the
> document in xml format. You can postprocess such an export to for
> instance html. It's still somewhat experimental but also fun.


Hi Hans,

Thanks! this is a useful step in the direction of ctx2odt support. Are 
you planning to provide (basic) (x)html export too? (I'm thinking about 
this workflow: write in ctx -> make pdf/make html -> open html in 
OpenOffice -> save as odt/doc.)

Jelle
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Re: export

[Hans Hagen]

On 23-9-2010 3:55, Jelle Huisman wrote:
> On 22/09/10 06:45, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>> \setupbackeds[export=yes]
>>
>> You will also get a file called <jobname>.export which represents the
>> document in xml format. You can postprocess such an export to for
>> instance html. It's still somewhat experimental but also fun.
>
>
> Hi Hans,
>
> Thanks! this is a useful step in the direction of ctx2odt support. Are
> you planning to provide (basic) (x)html export too? (I'm thinking about
> this workflow: write in ctx -> make pdf/make html -> open html in
> OpenOffice -> save as odt/doc.)

As xhtml is just xml converted to other tags, I suppose that at some day 
there will be additional converters. I would only come up with one in 
the perspective of a project as I have no need for it.

Hans

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Re: export

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Hans Hagen wrote:

> On 23-9-2010 3:55, Jelle Huisman wrote:
>> On 22/09/10 06:45, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> 
>>> \setupbackeds[export=yes]
>>> 
>>> You will also get a file called <jobname>.export which represents the
>>> document in xml format. You can postprocess such an export to for
>>> instance html. It's still somewhat experimental but also fun.
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Hans,
>> 
>> Thanks! this is a useful step in the direction of ctx2odt support. Are
>> you planning to provide (basic) (x)html export too? (I'm thinking about
>> this workflow: write in ctx -> make pdf/make html -> open html in
>> OpenOffice -> save as odt/doc.)
>
> As xhtml is just xml converted to other tags, I suppose that at some day 
> there will be additional converters. I would only come up with one in the 
> perspective of a project as I have no need for it.

There cannot be a universal one-to-one mapping between context generate 
xml and xhtml. For example, in a book, I may want \chapter to map to <h1> 
while in an article, I may want \section to map to <h1>. Nonetheless, 
having a specialized xml to xhtml converter should not be too difficult 
(using the verbose XSLT transformations). Targetting html5 is another 
option.

On the otherhand, a ConTeXt module that can read context generated xml 
will be nice... then the context xml can be the target input form for an 
automated tool trying to generate context source.

Aditya

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Re: export

[Hans Hagen]

On 23-9-2010 5:01, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>> On 23-9-2010 3:55, Jelle Huisman wrote:
>>> On 22/09/10 06:45, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>>
>>>> \setupbackeds[export=yes]
>>>>
>>>> You will also get a file called <jobname>.export which represents the
>>>> document in xml format. You can postprocess such an export to for
>>>> instance html. It's still somewhat experimental but also fun.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Hans,
>>>
>>> Thanks! this is a useful step in the direction of ctx2odt support. Are
>>> you planning to provide (basic) (x)html export too? (I'm thinking about
>>> this workflow: write in ctx -> make pdf/make html -> open html in
>>> OpenOffice -> save as odt/doc.)
>>
>> As xhtml is just xml converted to other tags, I suppose that at some
>> day there will be additional converters. I would only come up with one
>> in the perspective of a project as I have no need for it.
>
> There cannot be a universal one-to-one mapping between context generate
> xml and xhtml. For example, in a book, I may want \chapter to map to
> <h1> while in an article, I may want \section to map to <h1>.
> Nonetheless, having a specialized xml to xhtml converter should not be
> too difficult (using the verbose XSLT transformations). Targetting html5
> is another option.

indeed

> On the otherhand, a ConTeXt module that can read context generated xml
> will be nice... then the context xml can be the target input form for an
> automated tool trying to generate context source.

it's on my list to make such a roundtrip style

Hans


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Re: export

[Jelle Huisman]

On 23/09/10 11:12, Hans Hagen wrote:

>>> As xhtml is just xml converted to other tags, I suppose that at some
>>> day there will be additional converters. I would only come up with one
>>> in the perspective of a project as I have no need for it.
>>
>> There cannot be a universal one-to-one mapping between context generate
>> xml and xhtml. For example, in a book, I may want \chapter to map to
>> <h1> while in an article, I may want \section to map to <h1>.
>> Nonetheless, having a specialized xml to xhtml converter should not be
>> too difficult (using the verbose XSLT transformations). Targetting html5
>> is another option.
>
> indeed

Sounds like it's time to learn some xslt ;-)

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Re: export

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 23.09.2010 um 17:12 schrieb Hans Hagen:

> On 23-9-2010 5:01, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> 
>>> On 23-9-2010 3:55, Jelle Huisman wrote:
>>>> On 22/09/10 06:45, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> \setupbackeds[export=yes]
>>>>> 
>>>>> You will also get a file called <jobname>.export which represents the
>>>>> document in xml format. You can postprocess such an export to for
>>>>> instance html. It's still somewhat experimental but also fun.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Hans,
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks! this is a useful step in the direction of ctx2odt support. Are
>>>> you planning to provide (basic) (x)html export too? (I'm thinking about
>>>> this workflow: write in ctx -> make pdf/make html -> open html in
>>>> OpenOffice -> save as odt/doc.)
>>> 
>>> As xhtml is just xml converted to other tags, I suppose that at some
>>> day there will be additional converters. I would only come up with one
>>> in the perspective of a project as I have no need for it.
>> 
>> There cannot be a universal one-to-one mapping between context generate
>> xml and xhtml. For example, in a book, I may want \chapter to map to
>> <h1> while in an article, I may want \section to map to <h1>.
>> Nonetheless, having a specialized xml to xhtml converter should not be
>> too difficult (using the verbose XSLT transformations). Targetting html5
>> is another option.
> 
> indeed
> 
>> On the otherhand, a ConTeXt module that can read context generated xml
>> will be nice... then the context xml can be the target input form for an
>> automated tool trying to generate context source.
> 
> it's on my list to make such a roundtrip style



=:o)


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Re: export

[Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky]

Hi Patric,

Can you (or someone else in charge) can fix the link?

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/setupbackeds

> There is a typo in the link: it should be "setupbackends" and not
> "setupbackeds". The command is fine though.
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Re: export

[Peter Münster]

On Thu, Sep 23 2010, Cedric Mauclair wrote:
> 
> There is a typo in the link: it should be "setupbackends" and not
> "setupbackeds". The command is fine though.

All right, yet another redirect:
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/setupbackends ;))

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Re: export

[Cedric Mauclair]

Hi,

There is a typo in the link: it should be "setupbackends" and not
"setupbackeds". The command is fine though.

Regards.

-- Cédric



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<yatskovsky@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Please tell an (really) unlucky person who didn't visited the
>>> conference (like me), what \setupbackeds[export=yes] should do at all?
>>
>> You get the contents of your (well-structured) ConTeXt document as XML
>> ouput, extension ".export", intended for tagged PDF use (e.g. PDF/A),
>> but of course usable for XML transformations.
>
> Thank you, Hraban! Wikified, please check at
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/setupbackeds
>
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Re: export

[Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky]

>> Please tell an (really) unlucky person who didn't visited the
>> conference (like me), what \setupbackeds[export=yes] should do at all?
>
> You get the contents of your (well-structured) ConTeXt document as XML
> ouput, extension ".export", intended for tagged PDF use (e.g. PDF/A),
> but of course usable for XML transformations.

Thank you, Hraban! Wikified, please check at
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Re: export

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 2010-09-23 um 01:26 schrieb Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky:

> Please tell an (really) unlucky person who didn't visited the  
> conference (like me), what \setupbackeds[export=yes] should do at all?

You get the contents of your (well-structured) ConTeXt document as XML  
ouput, extension ".export", intended for tagged PDF use (e.g. PDF/A),  
but of course usable for XML transformations.



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Re: export

[Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky]

Hi,

Please tell an (really) unlucky person who didn't visited the conference 
(like me), what \setupbackeds[export=yes] should do at all?

:)

Regards,
Vyatcheslav
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