* a ghost in the columns ?
@ 2010-11-05 8:48 Steffen Wolfrum
2010-11-05 8:56 ` Taco Hoekwater
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Hi,
please have a look at the minimal below (tex+pdf):
We always have a kind of heading followed by a block of two columns.
But suddenly on page 6, entry "Cassius Dio" has a much larger vertical space above than "Novellen" for example!
Why? And how can this be avoided?
Any help very much appreciated!
Steffen (MkIV)
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* Re: a ghost in the columns ?
2010-11-05 8:48 a ghost in the columns ? Steffen Wolfrum
@ 2010-11-05 8:56 ` Taco Hoekwater
2010-11-05 10:42 ` Steffen Wolfrum
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2010-11-05 8:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 11/05/2010 09:48 AM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> Hi,
>
> please have a look at the minimal below (tex+pdf):
>
> We always have a kind of heading followed by a block of two columns.
>
> But suddenly on page 6, entry "Cassius Dio" has a much larger vertical space above than "Novellen" for example!
>
> Why? And how can this be avoided?
\smash{§§}
Best wishes,
Taco
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* Re: a ghost in the columns ?
2010-11-05 8:56 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2010-11-05 10:42 ` Steffen Wolfrum
2010-11-05 11:09 ` Taco Hoekwater
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Am 05.11.2010 um 09:56 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:
> On 11/05/2010 09:48 AM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> please have a look at the minimal below (tex+pdf):
>>
>> We always have a kind of heading followed by a block of two columns.
>>
>> But suddenly on page 6, entry "Cassius Dio" has a much larger vertical space above than "Novellen" for example!
>>
>> Why? And how can this be avoided?
>
> \smash{§§}
Ah, this was a bad example...
I have an other snippet from my original file, please see minimal (tex+pdf) below.
Here we have a bigger space before "Gai epitome" than before "Gai institutiones".
Why is this one? How can this be avoided?
Greetings,
Steffen (MkIV)
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* Re: a ghost in the columns ?
2010-11-05 10:42 ` Steffen Wolfrum
@ 2010-11-05 11:09 ` Taco Hoekwater
2010-11-05 11:23 ` Steffen Wolfrum
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2010-11-05 11:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 11/05/2010 11:42 AM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>
> Am 05.11.2010 um 09:56 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:
>
>> On 11/05/2010 09:48 AM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> please have a look at the minimal below (tex+pdf):
>>>
>>> We always have a kind of heading followed by a block of two columns.
>>>
>>> But suddenly on page 6, entry "Cassius Dio" has a much larger vertical space above than "Novellen" for example!
>>>
>>> Why? And how can this be avoided?
>>
>> \smash{§§}
>
>
> Ah, this was a bad example...
> I have an other snippet from my original file, please see minimal (tex+pdf) below.
>
> Here we have a bigger space before "Gai epitome" than before "Gai institutiones".
>
> Why is this one? How can this be avoided?
In this case it seems that columns believes (height-wise) that there are
12 lines instead of the actual 11 in the block above. I don't understand
why, though.
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* Re: a ghost in the columns ?
2010-11-05 11:09 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2010-11-05 11:23 ` Steffen Wolfrum
2010-11-05 11:53 ` Taco Hoekwater
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From: Steffen Wolfrum @ 2010-11-05 11:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 05.11.2010 um 12:09 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:
> On 11/05/2010 11:42 AM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>
>> Am 05.11.2010 um 09:56 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:
>>
>>> On 11/05/2010 09:48 AM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> please have a look at the minimal below (tex+pdf):
>>>>
>>>> We always have a kind of heading followed by a block of two columns.
>>>>
>>>> But suddenly on page 6, entry "Cassius Dio" has a much larger vertical space above than "Novellen" for example!
>>>>
>>>> Why? And how can this be avoided?
>>>
>>> \smash{§§}
>>
>>
>> Ah, this was a bad example...
>> I have an other snippet from my original file, please see minimal (tex+pdf) below.
>>
>> Here we have a bigger space before "Gai epitome" than before "Gai institutiones".
>>
>> Why is this one? How can this be avoided?
>
> In this case it seems that columns believes (height-wise) that there are 12 lines instead of the actual 11 in the block above. I don't understand why, though.
Wow: "that columns believes" ;o) is there a specialist for parapsychology out there? Hans?
The appendix from which these examples come from is quite big and there a dozens of situations like the one shown above: Suddenly there is a little bit more space above, sometimes more sometimes less. But there is no rule, no structure.
I tried to throw in some vskip to adjust it manually ... but after 3 hours I gave up: you never get the right distance.
So is there a handy work around to get rid off that column's cranky believe?
Best,
Steffen
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* Re: a ghost in the columns ?
2010-11-05 11:23 ` Steffen Wolfrum
@ 2010-11-05 11:53 ` Taco Hoekwater
2010-11-05 12:37 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2010-11-05 11:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 11/05/2010 12:23 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>
> So is there a handy work around to get rid off that column's cranky
> believe?
I have never had a whole lot of luck with \startcolumns ...
\stopcolumns. Normally I would suggest using \startsimplecolumns...
\stopsimplecolumns (in the case of columns, it seems 'simple' is
better), but you probably want page breaks inside?
You could try adding a \strut to each line (number). That may not
immediately produce the output you desire, but it will help make
the columns be more predictable.
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* Re: a ghost in the columns ?
2010-11-05 11:53 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2010-11-05 12:37 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-11-05 12:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Taco Hoekwater; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Steffen Wolfrum
On 5-11-2010 12:53, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> On 11/05/2010 12:23 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>
>> So is there a handy work around to get rid off that column's cranky
>> believe?
>
> I have never had a whole lot of luck with \startcolumns ...
> \stopcolumns. Normally I would suggest using \startsimplecolumns...
> \stopsimplecolumns (in the case of columns, it seems 'simple' is
> better), but you probably want page breaks inside?
columns are quite sensitive to rounding errors so anything that messes
up a line height makes it a problem; some day I'll do it again (using a
bit of lua)
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