* Re: How about a forum
2010-12-12 18:11 How about a forum Achim Jander
@ 2010-12-12 18:42 ` Hans Hagen
2010-12-12 18:43 ` Alan BRASLAU
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-12-12 18:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
On 12-12-2010 7:11, Achim Jander wrote:
> outdated, for example, the xml document on Pragma is dated 2001, the
fyi:
http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/xml-mkiv.pdf
is not that old and describes mkiv xml support
the 2001 doc describes mkii xml support and not much has changed with
that (so no reason to update a manual)
Hans
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2010-12-12 18:11 How about a forum Achim Jander
2010-12-12 18:42 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2010-12-12 18:43 ` Alan BRASLAU
2010-12-13 8:27 ` Hans Hagen
2010-12-12 19:02 ` Peter Münster
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From: Alan BRASLAU @ 2010-12-12 18:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
I'm around since prehistoric times, before internet, before wifi, before
TeX...
So, what is the difference between a "forum" and threads on a mailing list?
After all, the mailing list is archived (like a forum) and is searchable. In
fact, a google search on typesetting keywords often comes-up with the ConTeXt
mailing list - evidence of its activity!
I do not like/use forums, as they require going to some web site and choosing
a category, often badly structured, and thus opaque. Would a ConTeXt forum
present any advantages over the mailing list?
Alan
On Sunday 12 December 2010 19:11:09 Achim Jander wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> I am trying to get into Context again. The documentation seems to be
> somewhat better than one year ago (my last attempt) but still very
> suboptimal. Many information (as well on Contextgarden as on Pragma) is
> outdated, for example, the xml document on Pragma is dated 2001, the
> "first document" on the context wiki does not mention mkiv (ok, at least
> now there is a hint that something should be done about that). For a
> newbie like me, the best chance of information seems to be the
> mailing-list, where one can find a lot of gems.
> After spending this cold and snowy sunday afternoon with the
> mailing-list (and i got no further than to september 2010) I am
> wondering why there ist no forum for Context. I spend a lot of time
> getting into new themes, and I always like the functions of forums.
> I think in a forum the acces to the relavant information could be very
> quicklier than in a Mailing-List - which is in my opinion a relict of
> the information possibilities of the 1990 (last century, only a minute
> away from the middle ages :-).
> Dont get me wrong, I like the unbelievable support which is done on the
> mailing-list, but i think today there could be more efficient
> possibilities. Any suggestions on that?
> Thanks,
> Achim
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2010-12-12 18:11 How about a forum Achim Jander
2010-12-12 18:42 ` Hans Hagen
2010-12-12 18:43 ` Alan BRASLAU
@ 2010-12-12 19:02 ` Peter Münster
2010-12-12 19:17 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2010-12-12 23:08 ` Johannes Graumann
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From: Peter Münster @ 2010-12-12 19:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
On Sun, Dec 12 2010, Achim Jander wrote:
> Dont get me wrong, I like the unbelievable support which is done on
> the mailing-list, but i think today there could be more efficient
> possibilities.
I think, the efficiency of mailing-list or forum depends on the tools you use.
For me, a mailing-list is much more efficient, because I can use my favorite
tools (editor, MUA, mail-filter, search-tools, spell-checker, etc.). For a
forum, I would depend on the web-browser (less efficient for me).
The other question is:
"Forum _and_ mailing-list" or "forum _instead_ of mailing-list"?
In the first case, you could divide users and developers perhaps
into 2 groups, only some of them would monitor both, list _and_ forum.
The second case is probably not an option.
See also the related thread about a German ConTeXt Initiative:
http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2010/047755.html
I don't know, if this forum still exists.
Peter
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2010-12-12 19:02 ` Peter Münster
@ 2010-12-12 23:08 ` Johannes Graumann
2010-12-13 4:47 ` Aditya Mahajan
2010-12-14 1:18 ` Jonas Stein
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From: Johannes Graumann @ 2010-12-12 23:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
Try the mailing list as carried by gmane.org
Joh
Achim Jander wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> I am trying to get into Context again. The documentation seems to be
> somewhat better than one year ago (my last attempt) but still very
> suboptimal. Many information (as well on Contextgarden as on Pragma) is
> outdated, for example, the xml document on Pragma is dated 2001, the
> "first document" on the context wiki does not mention mkiv (ok, at least
> now there is a hint that something should be done about that). For a
> newbie like me, the best chance of information seems to be the
> mailing-list, where one can find a lot of gems.
> After spending this cold and snowy sunday afternoon with the
> mailing-list (and i got no further than to september 2010) I am
> wondering why there ist no forum for Context. I spend a lot of time
> getting into new themes, and I always like the functions of forums.
> I think in a forum the acces to the relavant information could be very
> quicklier than in a Mailing-List - which is in my opinion a relict of
> the information possibilities of the 1990 (last century, only a minute
> away from the middle ages :-).
> Dont get me wrong, I like the unbelievable support which is done on the
> mailing-list, but i think today there could be more efficient
> possibilities. Any suggestions on that?
> Thanks,
> Achim
>
>
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> wiki : http://contextgarden.net
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2010-12-12 23:08 ` Johannes Graumann
@ 2010-12-13 4:47 ` Aditya Mahajan
2010-12-14 1:18 ` Jonas Stein
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From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2010-12-13 4:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Sun, 12 Dec 2010, Achim Jander wrote:
> Dont get me wrong, I like the unbelievable support which is done on the
> mailing-list, but i think today there could be more efficient possibilities.
> Any suggestions on that?
You can try tex.stackexchange.com, a stack stack-overflow-like site
dedicated to TeX. There are a few ConTeXt related posts there. I find it
good for small questions, but it does not allow you to attach files, so it
is limiting.
Moreover, the support on any forum or mailing list is only as good as its
members. The good thing about the context mailing list is that the ConTeXt
developers and power users read it, and reply to questions. Unless the
same happens for online forums, they will have limited utility.
Aditya
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2010-12-12 18:11 How about a forum Achim Jander
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From: Jonas Stein @ 2010-12-14 1:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
> wondering why there ist no forum for Context. I spend a lot of time
> getting into new themes, and I always like the functions of forums.
What functions do you miss?
Have you tried the gmane mirror?
You can configure your newsreader to be coloured like a forum.
Some even support to exchange smileys to icons.
If you like to have a signature, you can write a line below "-- "
If you want to show your avatar/face to the world
you can use xface.
Its a evidence of good technology, that mailinglists and newsserver
still live in professional area after more then 20 years.
choose your favourite one here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Usenet_newsreaders
Kind regards,
--
Jonas Stein <news@jonasstein.de>
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