From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/66994 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Difference between MKII, XeTeX and MKIV Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:52:20 +0100 Message-ID: <4D7E63E4.4060706@wxs.nl> References: <20110314191304.1156c8b8@glyph> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1300128765 9016 80.91.229.12 (14 Mar 2011 18:52:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:52:45 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Mon Mar 14 19:52:40 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PzCsh-0005RV-Hn for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:52:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47063CAACD; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:52:39 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id zHlQDpVgMirW; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:52:36 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB874CAAE0; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:52:36 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2FACAAE0 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:52:35 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id eNSJ-zKGtxCL for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:52:33 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from filter1-ams.mf.surf.net (filter1-ams.mf.surf.net [192.87.102.69]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916F7CAACD for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:52:33 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from smtp.ziggozakelijk.nl (D57D1DA2.static.ziggozakelijk.nl [213.125.29.162]) by filter1-ams.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id p2EIqXr5030106 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:52:33 +0100 X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=10.100.1.100; Original-Received: from [10.100.1.100] (unverified [10.100.1.100]) by pragma-net.nl (SurgeMail 5.1c2) with ESMTP id 8846-1713362 for multiple; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:52:28 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 ThunderBrowse/3.3.5 In-Reply-To: X-Authenticated-User: hagen@controller-9 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=213.125.29.162; country=NL; region=11; city=Den Haag; latitude=52.0833; longitude=4.3000; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=52.0833,4.3000&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 06Ej6QxiV - 31bc1d52082b - 20110314 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.87.102.69 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:66994 Archived-At: On 14-3-2011 7:26, Cecil Westerhof wrote: > 2011/3/14 Marco > >> On 2011-03-14 Cecil Westerhof wrote: >> >>> When installing minimals you have MKII, XeTeX and MKIV. I understand th= at >>> you should normally use MKIV, but when are the other two used? >> >> MKII can be used either with pdftex or xetex (as you wish, compare >> advantages/disadvantages). MKIV can only be used with luatex. >> >> You have to differ between ConTeXt =BBversions=AB (mkii, mkiv) and TeX b= ackends >> (pdftex, xetex, luatex). >> > > And where do I find the advantages/disadvantages? Or can I just always use > MKIV? As already mentioned speed depends on the kind of document. In general = context runs slower with xetex and luatex if only because these are = unicode engines while pdftex is 8 bit. Occasionally i do speed tests and it also depends on the operating = system, file caching etc. For luatex the size of the cpu cache also = matters. Although pdftex/mkiv is always faster unless on eused metapoist = in which case mkiv is a clear winner (the metafun manual runs in tens of = seconds in mkiv but takes many minutes in mkii. Comparing xetex/mkii = and luatex/mkiv is difficult as xetex also pipes its output to a dvi = backend. On some tests mkiv is faster, on some others mkii but I must = admit that i only tested simple document. On a raw simple document, pdftex can be twice as fast as xetex or = luatex. The more lua driven features are used, the slower mkiv becomes = but in general it does a better job then. Anyhow .. only luatex/mkiv will evolve so best stick to that. 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