From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/67122 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Difference between MKII, XeTeX and MKIV Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:02:48 +0100 Message-ID: <4D832DC8.3030609@wxs.nl> References: <20110314191304.1156c8b8@glyph> <20110314194427.174629dc@glyph> <20110314224913.09170743@glyph> <3A66E444-F747-4661-9D7E-AEFBCDA172B0@pobox.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1300442592 2328 80.91.229.12 (18 Mar 2011 10:03:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:03:12 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Mar 18 11:03:08 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q0WWR-0002V7-Qz for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:03:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13BA0CAB28; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:03:04 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id EaxHwjKPvWrk; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:03:00 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F93CCAAD9; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:03:00 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96BDCAAD9 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:02:58 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id OMfSH6thJcoA for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:02:56 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from filter3-til.mf.surf.net (filter3-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.219]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF20CAAD6 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:02:56 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from smtp.ziggozakelijk.nl (D57D1DA2.static.ziggozakelijk.nl [213.125.29.162]) by filter3-til.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id p2IA2xIt021150 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:02:59 +0100 X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=10.100.1.100; Original-Received: from [10.100.1.100] (unverified [10.100.1.100]) by pragma-net.nl (SurgeMail 5.1c2) with ESMTP id 9279-1713362 for multiple; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:02:52 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 ThunderBrowse/3.3.5 In-Reply-To: <3A66E444-F747-4661-9D7E-AEFBCDA172B0@pobox.com> X-Authenticated-User: hagen@controller-9 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=213.125.29.162; country=NL; region=11; city=Den Haag; latitude=52.0833; longitude=4.3000; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=52.0833,4.3000&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0eEky2XKU - 7ce681129c3b - 20110318 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.219 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:67122 Archived-At: On 18-3-2011 3:54, mathew wrote: > On Mar 14, 2011, at 16:49, Marco wrote: >> I totally agree. But Cecil mentioned in another thread: =BBMy document i= s mostly >> text.=AB Even if a few mp graphics are involved luatex is still noticeab= ly >> slower. > > I look at it from the perspective that the last time I used TeX, my 8MHz = Atari ST took several seconds to process each page. And then it took severa= l seconds per page for the previewer to show me the DVI. And I couldn't do = anything else on the machine while it was working. > > My way of working now is that I keep a short scratchpad document in TeXwo= rks, and use it to sort out my formatting and macros, taking advantage of t= he live preview. When I'm done, I copy the definitions into my actual worki= ng document, which I edit in vim. I only typeset the entire working documen= t once or twice an hour, if that; vim catches syntax errors. So if LuaTex t= akes a few seconds longer to do the typesetting, it's completely unimportan= t. it's no problem to get a 250 pages per second throughput in mkiv but as = soon as you add more interesting things to a page work needs to be done = and that takes runtime on the average i get some 10-15 pages per second for documents of normal = complexity on my (by now) 5 year old laptop that i use for development = which is quite ok (mk.pdf: 10 pps, hybrid.pdf: 11 pps, cld-mkiv: 15 pps) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________= ________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to t= he Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-cont= ext webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________= ________