How to set oldstyle numbering globally?

How to set oldstyle numbering globally?

[Verhaag, G.C.H.M.]

Hi,

In my earlier MkIV minimal ConTeXt installation (dec.2010) I used the 
following in my preamble to activate oldstyle numbering:

\usetypescript[schola]
\setupbodyfont[schola,8pt]

\definefontfeature [oldstyle] [default] [onum=yes]
\addff{oldstyle}

but this doesn't seem to work anymore in my recently installed minimal 
ConTeXt installation (ConTeXt  ver: 2011.03.30 11:21 MkIV  fmt: 
2011.3.30  int: english/english).

I use this installation with Debian 6.0 (Squeeze).

Any idea what's wrong?

Regards,
Gerard Verhaag

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Re: How to set oldstyle numbering globally?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 11.04.2011 um 11:00 schrieb Verhaag, G.C.H.M.:

> Hi,
> 
> In my earlier MkIV minimal ConTeXt installation (dec.2010) I used the following in my preamble to activate oldstyle numbering:
> 
> \usetypescript[schola]
> \setupbodyfont[schola,8pt]
> 
> \definefontfeature [oldstyle] [default] [onum=yes]
> \addff{oldstyle}
> 
> but this doesn't seem to work anymore in my recently installed minimal ConTeXt installation (ConTeXt  ver: 2011.03.30 11:21 MkIV  fmt: 2011.3.30  int: english/english).
> 
> I use this installation with Debian 6.0 (Squeeze).
> 
> Any idea what's wrong?

The following two methods do work for me.


1. Global change

\definefontfeature[default][default][onum=yes]

\setupbodyfont[schola,8pt]

\starttext
1234567890
\stoptext


2. Local change

\setupbodyfont[schola,8pt]

\definefontfeature[oldstyle][onum=yes]

\starttext
1234567890 {\addff{oldstyle}1234567890}
\stoptext


Wolfgang

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Re: How to set oldstyle numbering globally?

[Khaled Hosny]

On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 11:00:08AM +0200, Verhaag, G.C.H.M. wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> In my earlier MkIV minimal ConTeXt installation (dec.2010) I used
> the following in my preamble to activate oldstyle numbering:
> 
> \usetypescript[schola]
> \setupbodyfont[schola,8pt]
> 
> \definefontfeature [oldstyle] [default] [onum=yes]
> \addff{oldstyle}

A more correct way is:

\definefontfeature[default][default][onum=yes] % redefines default feature set

\usetypescript[schola]
\setupbodyfont[schola,8pt]

\starttext
12345678
\stoptext

(\addff is meant for temporally applying font features not the other way
around, but I think it should work this way too, so may be something
is broken)

Regards,
 Khaled

-- 
 Khaled Hosny
 Egyptian
 Arab
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Re: How to set oldstyle numbering globally?

[Verhaag, G.C.H.M.]

On 04/11/2011 11:09 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> Am 11.04.2011 um 11:00 schrieb Verhaag, G.C.H.M.:
>
>    
>> Hi,
>>
>> In my earlier MkIV minimal ConTeXt installation (dec.2010) I used the following in my preamble to activate oldstyle numbering:
>>
>> \usetypescript[schola]
>> \setupbodyfont[schola,8pt]
>>
>> \definefontfeature [oldstyle] [default] [onum=yes]
>> \addff{oldstyle}
>>
>> but this doesn't seem to work anymore in my recently installed minimal ConTeXt installation (ConTeXt  ver: 2011.03.30 11:21 MkIV  fmt: 2011.3.30  int: english/english).
>>
>> I use this installation with Debian 6.0 (Squeeze).
>>
>> Any idea what's wrong?
>>      
> The following two methods do work for me.
>
>
> 1. Global change
>
> \definefontfeature[default][default][onum=yes]
>
> \setupbodyfont[schola,8pt]
>
> \starttext
> 1234567890
> \stoptext
>
>
> 2. Local change
>
> \setupbodyfont[schola,8pt]
>
> \definefontfeature[oldstyle][onum=yes]
>
> \starttext
> 1234567890 {\addff{oldstyle}1234567890}
> \stoptext
>
>
> Wolfgang
>
> ___________________________________________________________________________________
> .....
>    
Hi,

The suggested ways both work for me as well! So, I'm afraid that I don't 
understand the definefontfeature command very well.

Perhaps I should read the chapter on fonts more thorougly! Thanks to all 
contributers to this thread.

Regards,
Gerard Verhaag
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Re: How to set oldstyle numbering globally?

[Pontus Lurcock]

On Mon 11 Apr 2011, Khaled Hosny wrote:

> > In my earlier MkIV minimal ConTeXt installation (dec.2010) I used
> > the following in my preamble to activate oldstyle numbering:
> > 
> > \usetypescript[schola]
> > \setupbodyfont[schola,8pt]
> > 
> > \definefontfeature [oldstyle] [default] [onum=yes]
> > \addff{oldstyle}
> 
> A more correct way is:
> 
> \definefontfeature[default][default][onum=yes] % redefines default feature set
> 
> \usetypescript[schola]
> \setupbodyfont[schola,8pt]
... 
> (\addff is meant for temporally applying font features not the other way
> around, but I think it should work this way too, so may be something
> is broken)

\addff{oldstyle} works with my 2011.02.25 ConTeXt, so evidently it's
quite a recent change.

Pont
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Re: How to set oldstyle numbering globally?

[Taco Hoekwater]

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On 13 apr. 2011, at 00:07, Pontus Lurcock <pont@talvi.net> wrote:

> On Mon 11 Apr 2011, Khaled Hosny wrote:
> 
> ... 
>> (\addff is meant for temporally applying font features not the other way
>> around, but I think it should work this way too, so may be something
>> is broken)
> 
> \addff{oldstyle} works with my 2011.02.25 ConTeXt, so evidently it's
> quite a recent change.
> 
\addff is for adding some feature to an already selected font. It fails in the latest beta's because fonts are no longer preloaded immediately, but only after \starttext (which is a good thing)

Best wishes,
Taco

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Re: How to set oldstyle numbering globally?

[Verhaag, G.C.H.M.]

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On 04/13/2011 08:27 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>
>
> On 13 apr. 2011, at 00:07, Pontus Lurcock <pont@talvi.net 
> <mailto:pont@talvi.net>> wrote:
>
>> On Mon 11 Apr 2011, Khaled Hosny wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>> (\addff is meant for temporally applying font features not the other way
>>> around, but I think it should work this way too, so may be something
>>> is broken)
>>
>> \addff{oldstyle} works with my 2011.02.25 ConTeXt, so evidently it's
>> quite a recent change.
>>
> \addff is for adding some feature to an already selected font. It 
> fails in the latest beta's because fonts are no longer preloaded 
> immediately, but only after \starttext (which is a good thing)
>
> Best wishes,
> Taco
> ....
>    
Hi,

Taco, thanks for the explanation!

So, this makes the item called: "How can I get the “oldstyle numbers” 
(text figures) in a document?" on wiki.contextgarden.net no longer 
valid, right!

Changes are difficult to figure out, when you're not very good at the 
details. Keeping the wiki up-to-date is a huge task and certainly not a 
trivial thing!

Please don't misunderstand me. I don't want to criticise the way the 
wiki is maintained. On the contrary, it's a great tool, and we users 
very much depend on it.

However for getting the oldstyle numerals working again, I needed this 
mailing list!

If I'm wrong please feel free to comment on all this. Thanks again!

Regards,
Gerard Verhaag



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Re: How to set oldstyle numbering globally?

[Pontus Lurcock]

On Wed 13 Apr 2011, Verhaag, G.C.H.M. wrote:

> So, this makes the item called: "How can I get the “oldstyle numbers”  
> (text figures) in a document?" on wiki.contextgarden.net no longer  
> valid, right!

As of now, valid again. (I was going to add something to the ‘Fonts in
LuaTeX’ page as well, but that page needs tidying up that I don't have
time to do at the moment.)

> Changes are difficult to figure out, when you're not very good at the  
> details. Keeping the wiki up-to-date is a huge task and certainly not a  
> trivial thing!
>
> Please don't misunderstand me. I don't want to criticise the way the  
> wiki is maintained. On the contrary, it's a great tool, and we users  
> very much depend on it.

I think the general principle is that if you get a useful answer to
your question, you should make sure that it is added (or linked) in
the wiki in the place you looked for it before asking the question. It
*is* a huge task (since ConTeXt is under continuous development),
which is why we all need to help.

Pont
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Re: How to set oldstyle numbering globally?

[Verhaag, G.C.H.M.]

On 04/13/2011 10:14 AM, Pontus Lurcock wrote:
> On Wed 13 Apr 2011, Verhaag, G.C.H.M. wrote:
>
>    
>> So, this makes the item called: "How can I get the “oldstyle numbers”
>> (text figures) in a document?" on wiki.contextgarden.net no longer
>> valid, right!
>>      
> As of now, valid again. (I was going to add something to the ‘Fonts in
> LuaTeX’ page as well, but that page needs tidying up that I don't have
> time to do at the moment.)
>
>    
>> Changes are difficult to figure out, when you're not very good at the
>> details. Keeping the wiki up-to-date is a huge task and certainly not a
>> trivial thing!
>>
>> Please don't misunderstand me. I don't want to criticise the way the
>> wiki is maintained. On the contrary, it's a great tool, and we users
>> very much depend on it.
>>      
> I think the general principle is that if you get a useful answer to
> your question, you should make sure that it is added (or linked) in
> the wiki in the place you looked for it before asking the question. It
> *is* a huge task (since ConTeXt is under continuous development),
> which is why we all need to help.
>
> Pont
>    
Hi,

Okay, thanks again for the tip!

Regards,
Gerard Verhaag
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