* lm otf math
@ 2011-05-12 13:28 Hans Hagen
2011-05-12 13:37 ` Martin Schröder
2011-05-13 7:52 ` Vedran Miletić
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2011-05-12 13:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi,
The minimals now carry a beta version of lmmath.otf. Even when all lm
and gyre math fonts are released, the vf variants will stay available if
only because we need them to test luatex's virtual font machinery.
As there is only one design size (but with a proper ssty feature), I
decided to hook this font into the non-designsize variant, so you can
test with:
\usetypescript[modern-base] \setupbodyfont[modern]
\starttext
$e=mc^2$
\stoptext
Problems can be reported to this list (or alternatively we can make a
page on the wiki for it).
Hans
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* Re: lm otf math
2011-05-12 13:28 lm otf math Hans Hagen
@ 2011-05-12 13:37 ` Martin Schröder
2011-05-12 13:42 ` Aditya Mahajan
2011-05-12 13:43 ` Hans Hagen
2011-05-13 7:52 ` Vedran Miletić
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From: Martin Schröder @ 2011-05-12 13:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
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2011/5/12 Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>:
> \starttext
> $e=mc^2$
Shouldn't that be something like e=mc²?
Best
Martin
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* Re: lm otf math
2011-05-12 13:37 ` Martin Schröder
@ 2011-05-12 13:42 ` Aditya Mahajan
2011-05-12 14:43 ` Hans Hagen
2011-05-12 13:43 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2011-05-12 13:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Thu, 12 May 2011, Martin Schröder wrote:
> 2011/5/12 Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>:
>> \starttext
>> $e=mc^2$
>
> Shouldn't that be something like e=mc²?
No. IIRC, we had a discussion sometime ago whether we should treat ¹,², etc as
valid superscripts in math mode, and decided against it.
Aditya
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* Re: lm otf math
2011-05-12 13:37 ` Martin Schröder
2011-05-12 13:42 ` Aditya Mahajan
@ 2011-05-12 13:43 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2011-05-12 13:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 12-5-2011 3:37, Martin Schröder wrote:
> 2011/5/12 Hans Hagen<pragma@wxs.nl>:
>> \starttext
>> $e=mc^2$
>
> Shouldn't that be something like e=mc²?
Maybe at some point I will provide that as an option, but ² is one of
those weird unicode things ... what woudl you do in this case:
a = bc^{2d}
or
a = bc^{d^2}
which then could be entered as:
a = bc^{d²}
quite debatable.
Hans
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* Re: lm otf math
2011-05-12 13:42 ` Aditya Mahajan
@ 2011-05-12 14:43 ` Hans Hagen
2011-05-12 18:18 ` George N. White III
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2011-05-12 14:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 12-5-2011 3:42, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2011, Martin Schröder wrote:
>
>> 2011/5/12 Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>:
>>> \starttext
>>> $e=mc^2$
>>
>> Shouldn't that be something like e=mc²?
>
> No. IIRC, we had a discussion sometime ago whether we should treat ¹,²,
> etc as
> valid superscripts in math mode, and decided against it.
how about an article (for the maps/tugboat) about good math coding
practices in these unicode times
Hans
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* Re: lm otf math
2011-05-12 14:43 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2011-05-12 18:18 ` George N. White III
2011-05-13 9:43 ` Hans Hagen
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From: George N. White III @ 2011-05-12 18:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> On 12-5-2011 3:42, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 12 May 2011, Martin Schröder wrote:
>>
>>> 2011/5/12 Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>:
>>>>
>>>> \starttext
>>>> $e=mc^2$
>>>
>>> Shouldn't that be something like e=mc²?
>>
>> No. IIRC, we had a discussion sometime ago whether we should treat ¹,²,
>> etc as
>> valid superscripts in math mode, and decided against it.
>
> how about an article (for the maps/tugboat) about good math coding practices
> in these unicode times
Or a new book: "Joy of ConTeXt" (for those who remember Spivak's "Joy of TeX").
Authors are going to provide tex sorce files that use e=mc² (and
unless someone does SEO
to ensure they find the afore mentioned article) will consider it a
bug when it doesn't work.
Other sources of confusion come when authors use a fixed font to edit
and try to match
glyphs (using Windows CharMap or BabelMap): you get 45˚N when it
should be 45°N),
or use auctex+preview in which $e=mc^2$ gives $e=mc^²$ in the emacs window.
There is a need for a TeXCharTool that does BabelMap stuff but
provides annotations describing appropriate TeX usages and can be
searched using legacy TeX markup (e.g., to assist with
converting old docs to unicode).
--
George N. White III <aa056@chebucto.ns.ca>
Head of St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia
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* Re: lm otf math
2011-05-12 13:28 lm otf math Hans Hagen
2011-05-12 13:37 ` Martin Schröder
@ 2011-05-13 7:52 ` Vedran Miletić
2011-05-13 8:04 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Vedran Miletić @ 2011-05-13 7:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
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2011/5/12 Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>
> Hi,
>
> The minimals now carry a beta version of lmmath.otf. Even when all lm and
> gyre math fonts are released, the vf variants will stay available if only
> because we need them to test luatex's virtual font machinery.
>
> As there is only one design size (but with a proper ssty feature), I
> decided to hook this font into the non-designsize variant, so you can test
> with:
>
> \usetypescript[modern-base] \setupbodyfont[modern]
>
> \starttext
> $e=mc^2$
> \stoptext
>
> Problems can be reported to this list (or alternatively we can make a page
> on the wiki for it).
>
> Hans
>
Just curious: why is it embedded as being named "Latin"?
Vedran
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* Re: lm otf math
2011-05-13 7:52 ` Vedran Miletić
@ 2011-05-13 8:04 ` Hans Hagen
2011-05-13 17:24 ` Vedran Miletić
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2011-05-13 8:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 13-5-2011 9:52, Vedran Miletić wrote:
> 2011/5/12 Hans Hagen<pragma@wxs.nl>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The minimals now carry a beta version of lmmath.otf. Even when all lm and
>> gyre math fonts are released, the vf variants will stay available if only
>> because we need them to test luatex's virtual font machinery.
>>
>> As there is only one design size (but with a proper ssty feature), I
>> decided to hook this font into the non-designsize variant, so you can test
>> with:
>>
>> \usetypescript[modern-base] \setupbodyfont[modern]
>>
>> \starttext
>> $e=mc^2$
>> \stoptext
>>
>> Problems can be reported to this list (or alternatively we can make a page
>> on the wiki for it).
>>
>> Hans
>>
>
> Just curious: why is it embedded as being named "Latin"?
because latin modern is the follow up in computer modern; the name comes
from the fact hat it started as a merge of all those latin variants
(cmr, aer, csr, plr, vnr, ...)
Hans
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* Re: lm otf math
2011-05-12 18:18 ` George N. White III
@ 2011-05-13 9:43 ` Hans Hagen
2011-05-13 9:57 ` Martin Schröder
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2011-05-13 9:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 12-5-2011 8:18, George N. White III wrote:
> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Hans Hagen<pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>
>> On 12-5-2011 3:42, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, 12 May 2011, Martin Schröder wrote:
>>>
>>>> 2011/5/12 Hans Hagen<pragma@wxs.nl>:
>>>>>
>>>>> \starttext
>>>>> $e=mc^2$
>>>>
>>>> Shouldn't that be something like e=mc²?
>>>
>>> No. IIRC, we had a discussion sometime ago whether we should treat ¹,²,
>>> etc as
>>> valid superscripts in math mode, and decided against it.
>>
>> how about an article (for the maps/tugboat) about good math coding practices
>> in these unicode times
>
> Or a new book: "Joy of ConTeXt" (for those who remember Spivak's "Joy of TeX").
>
> Authors are going to provide tex sorce files that use e=mc² (and
> unless someone does SEO
> to ensure they find the afore mentioned article) will consider it a
> bug when it doesn't work.
> Other sources of confusion come when authors use a fixed font to edit
> and try to match
> glyphs (using Windows CharMap or BabelMap): you get 45˚N when it
> should be 45°N),
> or use auctex+preview in which $e=mc^2$ gives $e=mc^²$ in the emacs window.
>
> There is a need for a TeXCharTool that does BabelMap stuff but
> provides annotations describing appropriate TeX usages and can be
> searched using legacy TeX markup (e.g., to assist with
> converting old docs to unicode).
The next beta will deal with Schröder math input encoding:
$e=mc²$ $x²ᶞ$ $x⁽²⁺²⁼²⁺²⁾$ $x₅²$
However, as we don't like it too much, at the end of a run mkiv will
report the replacements so that an author can consider fixing it. It
might become optional at some point (makes a nice topic for the context
conference).
Hans
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* Re: lm otf math
2011-05-13 9:43 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2011-05-13 9:57 ` Martin Schröder
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From: Martin Schröder @ 2011-05-13 9:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
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2011/5/13 Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>:
> The next beta will deal with Schröder math input encoding:
:-)))
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* Re: lm otf math
2011-05-13 8:04 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2011-05-13 17:24 ` Vedran Miletić
2011-05-13 17:32 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Vedran Miletić @ 2011-05-13 17:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Dana 13. svibnja 2011. 10:04 Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> je napisao/la:
> On 13-5-2011 9:52, Vedran Miletić wrote:
>
>> Just curious: why is it embedded as being named "Latin"?
>>
>
> because latin modern is the follow up in computer modern; the name comes
> from the fact hat it started as a merge of all those latin variants (cmr,
> aer, csr, plr, vnr, ...)
>
>
> Hans
>
Sure, but I was asking about this:
$ pdffonts lmtest.pdf
name type emb sub uni object ID
------------------------------------ ----------------- --- --- --- ---------
JFRMQG+LMRoman10-Regular CID Type 0C yes yes yes 18 0
JYDOFF+Latin CID Type 0C yes yes yes 19 0
Shouldn't it be LMMath or something like that?
Vedran
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* Re: lm otf math
2011-05-13 17:24 ` Vedran Miletić
@ 2011-05-13 17:32 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2011-05-13 17:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 13-5-2011 7:24, Vedran Miletić wrote:
> name type emb sub uni object ID
> ------------------------------------ ----------------- --- --- --- ---------
> JFRMQG+LMRoman10-Regular CID Type 0C yes yes yes 18 0
> JYDOFF+Latin CID Type 0C yes yes yes 19 0
>
> Shouldn't it be LMMath or something like that?
sure, it will be something more appropriate ... this is really a
prerelease and such things will change
Hans
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